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Re: 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 - B08
Reply #5 - 06/02/10 at 21:29:19
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More than 85% of all chess games start with either 1.e4 or 1.d4. The Black Lion presents a flexible, logical and sensible way for Black to meet both of these moves.

I hate claims like these when they are not backed up. As far as I know the book contains nothing about 1.d4 d6 2.c4 and 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3.


You are right. This is the main drawback of the book. All the more as the frontpage yells "The predator's choice against both 1.e4 and 1.d4" but there is nothing concerning those "closed" attempts you give. I'm a bit irritated that the critics do not touch this important point. It seems that the authors think that after 1.d4 d6 the move 2.e4 is obligatory...
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Re: 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 - B08
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More than 85% of all chess games start with either 1.e4 or 1.d4. The Black Lion presents a flexible, logical and sensible way for Black to meet both of these moves.

I hate claims like these when they are not backed up. As far as I know the book contains nothing about 1.d4 d6 2.c4 and 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3.
  

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Re: 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 - B08
Reply #3 - 06/02/10 at 14:40:35
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http://www.newinchess.com/The_Black_Lion-p-923.html

look at the game played at the bottom of the page.
  
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Re: 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 - B08
Reply #2 - 03/07/10 at 00:18:53
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Tripler64 wrote on 03/03/10 at 18:27:12:
This is a pretty solid if not particularly adventurous line with some similarities to the queenless middlegames of the Spanish Berlin - despite both are queenless. In this line 4.de de 5.Qd8 Kd8 6.Bg5 Be6 7.000 Nd7 8.f4 is the "main line" - 8...ef 9.Nf3 h6 10.Bf4 c6
11.Nd4 slight edge W. Recently I had a game with 8.Nd5 and after 8...Kc8 9.f3 c6 10.Nc3 b5 B is fine.
There is a line I was unfamiliar with - 8...Bd5!? 9.Rd5 Kc8 10.Bf6 Nf6 11.Re5 g6 with ideas of trapping the rook with ...c6, ...b5 where W sacrifices his B on b5. Is this good for B? Incidentally, would anyone know of a book or article covering this line in detail?

No I don't think there are similarities concerning your variation and the "Berlin Wall". In the latter you have 3:4 pawns on the king's side, a shattered 4:3 pawns on the queen's side and a pair of bishops as compensation. In the first it's 3:3 // 4:4. Really not comparable.
As an additional source I can add "The Black Lion" (van Rekom/Jansen).

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Re: 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 - B08
Reply #1 - 03/05/10 at 20:23:08
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I'm not sure it really has all that many similarities to the Berlin endgame, but it is certainly a solid enough line for Blacks who are happy playing the Philidor after 4.Nf3(!).  Both Yrjola and Tella's An Explosive Chess Opening Repertoire for Black and Christian Bauer's The Philidor Files cover this line.
  

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1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 - B08
03/03/10 at 18:27:12
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This is a pretty solid if not particularly adventurous line with some similarities to the queenless middlegames of the Spanish Berlin. In this line 4.de de 5.Qd8 Kd8 6.Bg5 Be6 7.000 Nd7 8.f4 is the "main line" - 8...ef 9.Nf3 h6 10.Bf4 c6
11.Nd4 slight edge W. Recently I had a game with 8.Nd5 and after 8...Kc8 9.f3 c6 10.Nc3 b5 B is fine.
There is a line I was unfamiliar with - 8...Bd5!? 9.Rd5 Kc8 10.Bf6 Nf6 11.Re5 g6 with ideas of trapping the rook with ...c6, ...b5 where W sacrifices his B on b5. Is this good for B? Incidentally, would anyone know of a book or article covering this line in detail?
  
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