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Re: best English resources?
Reply #10 - 03/27/10 at 01:59:22
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I did not see anyone mention Winning with the English by Zoltan Ribli and Gabor Kallai. Although the book was published in 1992 it does give a good overview of the opening as a whole. There are seventy-four fairly well annotated games all between strong players. Also, Ribli is known as an English Opening expert.

Another book I found useful was Symmetrical English by David Cummings. It has sixty-three games with chapters organized by theme (e.g. "White plays an early d2-d4"). Cummings is quite verbose with typical plans and ideas which is always nice when trying to get a handle on a new opening.  

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Re: best English resources?
Reply #9 - 03/26/10 at 23:03:43
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Hi Markovich,

Watson's MTCO3 gives an informative and pretty objective overview of the English, but we’ll have to wait for MTCO4 for a similar survey of specifically Reti lines. MTCO3 is a hefty read at 350 large pages.

If the Botvinnik system is to be part of the repertoire, then Kosten’s book is still a very good introduction for anyone up to say 2100 and I know stronger players than that who have used it to get a quick handle on 1 c4. Marin’s huge Volume 1 is the new Botvinnik bible, of course, but oh, the detail, the nuances…it’s mind-boggling, at least to me.

A Strategic Opening Repertoire 2 (Donaldson & Hansen) has been much maligned, largely through disappointment I think. The tiny first edition was so legendary, and our hopes for the 2nd edition so high… A complete repertoire it ain’t, more a collection of annotated games that together just about form say 75% of a possible repertoire. Nevertheless, I think it’s still an extremely useful source, particularly for anyone who wants to play the very handy set-up with Nf3, c4, g3, Bg2, 0-0, Nc3 and d3 against the King’s Indian, Closed Sicilian Reversed and related set-ups, instead of the Botvinnik (Marin, Kosten, Soltis) or the (neglected in my view) Staunton (a Botvinnik set-up with e3 instead of e4).

Ten to fifteen years ago, the big questions for the English/Reti players, certainly below master level, were what to play against:
1) the King's Indian/Closed Sicilian reversed set-ups;
2) the Symmetrical
3) ...e6, ...d5 systems
4) whether to try to prevent the Hedghog or combat it.

I think this is reflected in the balance of material in Kosten and Donaldson-Hansen. 
Since then we've seen a huge growth in the number of players who want to play some sort of Slav set-up against practically everything, and anyone writing such a repertoire book now really should be ensuring that this gets a lot of attention. White is not short of ideas, but probably there is no way to force an advantage, and as in much of the Reti-English complex, the question of what to play is really one of choosing something playable that leads to the sort of positions one likes. 

I suggest that the main options are:
1)      Transpose to Slav (but prepare well);
2)      Play the English Anti-Slav, with e3 and holding back d4;
3)      Play 1 c4 c6 2 e4 and head for some sort of Panov;
4)      Play the original Reti double fianchetto with c4;
5)      Play the original Reti double fianchetto but aim for e4, by Qe1, or e3, Qe2;
6)      Play the c4 gambit line that Kosten and Davies recommended,, but which seems to need some repair work at the moment (although I notice that Marin has been playing it);
7)      Play Loginov’s line (first played by JH Blackburne!) 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 c6 4.0-0 Bf5 5.c4 e6 6.cxd5!? exd5 7.d3 Nbd7 8.Nc3 Be7 9.Qc2!? planning e4, e.g. 9...h6 10.e4 dxe4 11.dxe4 Bh7 12.Bf4 0-0 13.Rad1 Qa5 14.Nd4 Rfe8 15.h3 Bb4 16.Nb3 Qb6 17.Rfe1 Ne5 18.a3 Bf8 19.Nd2 Qc5 20.Be3 Qe7 21.f4 Ned7 22.Bf2+= Loginov-Soos, 1993. The mobile Kingside majority gives White space and attacking chances. This plan can also be played against …Bg4 lines.
8)      If Black lacks experience in typical Caro Kann or Centre Counter positions, White can consider Mamedyarov’s deceptively simple line 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 c6 3.Bg2 Bg4 4.0-0 Nd7 5.d4 e6 6.Nbd2 Ngf6 7.Re1 Be7 8.e4, e.g. Mamedyarov-Kosteniuk 2009.

Probably there are even other options, but I hope I’ve made the point that White has plenty of resources and should not despair at seeing Black place his pawn on c6!
  
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Re: best English resources?
Reply #8 - 03/26/10 at 22:53:53
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TimS wrote on 03/25/10 at 16:09:16:
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Bagirov, like Hansen on the Symmetrical English, is much more for reference, in my opinion.

I have Bagirov's books, and they are my favourite. Many modern books seem to do little more than copy some of the lines. It is a little out of date on some lines, but offers many ideas you won't get in repertoire books, and trying out the less favoured "old" lines that don't get played much today, is quite effective OTB (for shock value if nothing else). Not the book for you, if you like 2.g3 though, which Bagirov dismisses early on as not being the way to play for an advantage in the opening.

I am working through Mastering the Chess Openings 3 by Watson at the moment, I think it interesting for any English player, not the type of detailed analysis of Bargirov, but very useful on ideas.
  
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Re: best English resources?
Reply #7 - 03/25/10 at 21:36:06
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That's of course, true. If you want to play some of the 2. Nc3 positions, then probably Watson then Pritchett then your own work is the best way to go. 

If you do learn from Kosten, Soltis, and so on, then it's quite easy to pick up Marin's book after a little time.
  
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Re: best English resources?
Reply #6 - 03/25/10 at 17:46:11
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TonyRo wrote on 03/25/10 at 17:34:02:
For understanding and building up a simple repertoire, I like Kosten and Watson. For delving much deeper, I don't think there's anything that's going to be close to Marin for years and years to come.


It would seem, though, that if you want to delve deeper with Marin you have to delve into his repertoire.
  

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Re: best English resources?
Reply #5 - 03/25/10 at 17:34:02
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For understanding and building up a simple repertoire, I like Kosten and Watson. For delving much deeper, I don't think there's anything that's going to be close to Marin for years and years to come.
  
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Reply #4 - 03/25/10 at 17:22:25
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I am familiar with Hansen's 1.c4 e5 and Strategic Opening Repertoire ed.2, Watson's opening series vol3, Marin's English 2.g3 vol1, Khalifman's Play like Kramnik ed.2a (or whatever) and Palliser's Beating Unusual chess openings (incl. 1.c4, for Black).
Most useful for me are Watson's (both colours) and Palliser's (black). As I try to play the English from scratch, Watson's has a true "starting out" spirit that suits me better than Marin's. He (W.) is sometimes more to the point (e.g. in the Botvinnik), always honest (in my view) and sometimes thought-provoking (call me a c****d, but if I have to gambit a pawn, I prefer to do it in the BDG rather than the English). A pity he covers English-only lines!
  
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Re: best English resources?
Reply #3 - 03/25/10 at 17:01:57
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Khalifman's "Opening for White according to Kramnik 1. Nf3", books 2 and 3 are excellent, imho the best source for the English "without 1. ... e5" ( 2. Nxe5! +/- Tongue )
  
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Re: best English resources?
Reply #2 - 03/25/10 at 16:09:16
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Markovich wrote on 03/25/10 at 14:50:12:
Not that I'm necessarily thinking of taking up 1.c4, but just for everyone's benefit I would like to raise the question, what are the best references for learning about the English?  The most notable ones that spring to mind are Bagirov's two volumes, Kosten, Watson (volume 3 of Mastering the Chess Openings), and Marin.  There's a new German work too, isn't there?

So what are the pluses and minuses of these works and any that I've forgotten?  Which ones would you English gurus recommend to a prospective student of any given strength?

I would add Soltis third edition and an oldish, slim, purple paperback by, I think Povah. Both, like Kosten's, are good on explanation.
Bagirov, like Hansen on the Symmetrical English, is much more for reference, in my opinion.
I don't have the others you mention.
If someone could only buy one, then of the ones I've got, I would recommend Kosten (whatever the strength of the purchaser).
  
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Re: best English resources?
Reply #1 - 03/25/10 at 16:06:20
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Kosten: 2.g3 repertoire. Very good. Less than 150 pages. A bit short on some variations.

Marin: 2. g3 repertoire. Much more thorough. Still only 1...e5 lines published.

Davies has a recent DVD. 8 hours. 2.g3 stuff. Admits that it is not the best vs symmetrical.

I rely on these sources.

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Fairly recent books:

Pritchett: Play the english. Haven't seen. 

Franco: Chess Explained. Haven't seen.

Karpov: How to play the english opening. Haven't seen.

I think McDonald did the Starting Out book.

Older books:

Bagirov: Overview of most lines. Strictly english and no Reti transpositions.

Carsten Hansen did two books. On 1...e5 and 1...c5. No other lines.

Watson did four books on the english in the early 80's. Reprinted by Hardinge Simpole. Many claim that there still are good suggestions still unused in these.

Soltis: Winning with the english. 3rd ed. Decent g3-rep book. I think earlier editions had other choices of variations.

There are also some repertoire books which includes some english lines, eg Khalifman "Openings for white according to Kramnik". Good. Donaldson/Hansen "Strategic Opening Repertoire" Not very good. 

In the Watson's chess.fm programme it was said that next volume of Wojo's weapons will be on KID and Grünfeld. I guess a third volume could be on (symmetrical) english lines.

The Carlstedt book is out. I've ordered it. Seems to be a g3 repertoire with 2.Nc3 vs 1...Nf6 in order to play the Mikenas attack.

  

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03/25/10 at 14:50:12
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Not that I'm necessarily thinking of taking up 1.c4, but just for everyone's benefit I would like to raise the question, what are the best references for learning about the English?  The most notable ones that spring to mind are Bagirov's two volumes, Kosten, Watson (volume 3 of Mastering the Chess Openings), and Marin.  There's a new German work too, isn't there?

So what are the pluses and minuses of these works and any that I've forgotten?  Which ones would you English gurus recommend to a prospective student of any given strength?
  

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