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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2091 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: Help in a critical line Reply #3 - 04/05/10 at 19:21:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	Fun Just checked and my chosen slice of madness was 11 .. Nce7 12 h4 cd!? 13 cd Qc3+ 14 Ke2 Nf5!? trying to reach the 12 .. Nf5 line from the original Anand - Lputian game after 15 g4 etc. 15 Rab1 might make this a touch too dangerous to recommend. 15 .. f6 16 g4 Nxe3 (Ne7) etc is fun to point a computer at mind. It really is quite horribly tactical. More traditional lines as above likely more reliable Or just 12 .. Nf5 and accept the ending from Khalifman. 13 g4 Nxe3 14 fe cd 15 o-o f6 16 ef Qg3+ 17 Kh1 Rxf6 18 Ng5 Qxh4+ 19 QxQ NxQ 20 Bxh7+ etc. Or the saner 12 .. Bd7 stuff after 11 .. Nce7. There are a lot of options.


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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3274 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: Help in a critical line Reply #2 - 04/05/10 at 18:41:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	This is a huge topic of course. Some recent games by young Armenian (?) Grigoryan caught my eye, particularly this one: [Event "WJun"] [Site "Puerto Madryn ARG"] [Date "2009.10.31"] [Round "10"] [White "Li Chao2"] [Black "Grigoryan, Av"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "C18"] [WhiteElo "2617"] [BlackElo "2515"] [Source "Mark Crowther"] 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 Ne7 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 c5 7. Qg4 O-O 8. Bd3 Nbc6 9. Qh5 Ng6 10. Nf3 Qc7 11. Be3 c4 12. Bxg6 fxg6 13. Qg4 Qf7 14. Ng5 Qe8 15. h4 b5 16. Qe2 Bd7 17. g4 Qe7 18. f4 Be8 19. Kd2 a5 20. Qg2 h6 21. Nf3 Rb8 22. h5 gxh5 23. f5 exf5 24. gxf5 Rxf5 25. Nh4 Rf7 26. Ng6 Qe6 27. Rxh5 Kh7 28. Rg1 Rf2+ 29. Qxf2 Bxg6 30. Rh2 Ne7 31. Rhg2 b4 32. Bg5 bxc3+ 33. Kxc3 Qb6 34. Bc1 Qb1 35. Rxg6 Nxg6 36. e6 Qa1+ 37. Kd2 Rf8 38. Qe3 Rf4 39. e7 Qxd4+ 40. Qxd4 Rxd4+ 41. Kc3 Re4 42. e8=Q Rxe8 43. Kd4 Re2 44. Kxd5 Rxc2 45. Kc5 Ne5 46. Be3 g5 47. Kb5 c3 0-1 15...b5!? (not mentioned by Khalifman) just getting on with it on the queenside looks wonderfully defiant in a position where Black has normally played ...h6 or ...Bd7. Several previous Grigoryan games feature similar play: Just enough moves on the kingside to avoid getting mated, otherwise just get on with it with ...b5, ...a5, ...b4. I have more sympathy for this way of playing it than just concentrating on the f-file for counterplay, but maybe the choice depends on how White is playing. Other specialists in this line (with ...Qc7 and ...c4): Lputian, Dgebuadze, Apicella. Jussupow seems to generally avoid closing the position with ...c5-c4 and so has preferred 11...Nce7. You also need to be prepared for 9.Bg5 (Qa5 10.Nge2)

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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2091 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: Help in a critical line Reply #1 - 04/05/10 at 18:00:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well at club player level I scored hugely with it. To the extent I got fed up. But thats the UK It was very rare to get as far as even Qh5, which really does help black of course. If you're happy with defending vs big attacks then worth a look. Quite easy for white to overbalance and not trivial for him to just sit on the position. Very individual types of position too. Rather riskier if playing vs people with plenty of time to prepare. Certainly a risk of getting crushed like a bug from time to time. Not so unlike the dragon perhaps. fwiw Khalifman's lines do tend to end in slight edges not wins or anything. You're also not tied down to just one option - there are still a few even after Ng6. So there is a lot for white to prepare to catch you. I was notionally relying on the 11.. Nce7 ^ 12 .. Nf5 stuff which is very, very tactical and seemingly just about alive. Actually even trying to move order round Khalifman's line, although that was a touch risky.


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Ametanoitos God Member Offline The road to success is under construction Posts: 1429 Location: Patras Joined: 01/04/05	C18: Help in a critical line 04/05/10 at 17:18:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hello. I always concidered this section of the foroum the most helpfull because there are many posters here that have a strong and objective opinion. I have a question about one of the most serious variations of the French defence and i think this is the right place to find what is going on. 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 Ne7 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 c5 7. Qg4 O-O 8. Bd3 Nbc6 9. Qh5 Ng6 . According to Ftacnik in the annotaded game Bacrot-Socko, Dresden 2008 and the Kasim Ftrench DVD White doesn't have a clear route to an advantage here. Is this a good variation for a club player? I mean from both a theoritical standpoint and from a practical one (f.e can Black play for a win? etc) Yusupov has recommended 9...f5 but Black cannot really play for a win here.
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