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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #16 - 04/30/11 at 12:09:51
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Matemax wrote on 04/29/11 at 17:58:57:
Isn't it too obvious as chesspublishing is a good source for everthing posted here?

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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #15 - 04/29/11 at 17:58:57
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/29/11 at 13:08:28:
The most obvious source is the main site, www.chesspublishing.com, as there is lots of material on both the 4 e3 161C053E3F281A3E2225343F5101 and the Colle move orders.
Funny no-one thought to mention it! Shocked

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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #14 - 04/29/11 at 13:08:28
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Sylvester wrote on 04/16/10 at 13:55:28:
advice for hunting down useful sources on this particular variation?

The most obvious source is the main site, www.chesspublishing.com, as there is lots of material on both the 4 e3 QID and the Colle move orders.
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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #13 - 04/28/11 at 23:59:40
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Many thanks to all of you for a sincere helpful replies. I've looked around a bit and found some annotated games in the 4.e3 QID. Here they are:

See p.170,183-189 in Positional Play by Dvoretsky.

Art of Defense (Soltis), p.227

My Best Games of Chess by Tartakower Vol II p.58

Tigran Petrosian (His Life and Games), p.212

Petrosian’s Legacy, p.57

Petrosian versus the Elite, p.83, 232

E11 Anatoly Karpov (My 300 Best Games), p.116  Game 145
E11 Anatoly Karpov (My 300 Best Games), p.164  Game 205
E14 (4.e3) Anatoly Karpov (My 300 Best Games), p.235  Game 289
E14 (4.e3) Anatoly Karpov (My 300 Best Games), p.76, Game 90

How Karpov Wins by Mednis, p.316

Instructive Modern Chess Masterpieces (I. Stohl), p.82,98

Mastering the Endgame, Vol 2, p.195

I Play Against Pieces by Gligoric, p.109, Game 53

Botvinnik 100 Selected Games, p.137

Emanuel Lasker Games 1889-1903, p.100 Game 121, p.132 Game 158 (Had potential to be transposed to IQP position of Panov Attack!), p.290 Game 304 (Also had potential to transpose to IQP position of Panov Attack).

If you can add to this list I would appreciate it.
  
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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #12 - 04/20/11 at 12:00:08
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Palliser's "Play 1.d4!" has a chapter on the e3 QID.
  

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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #11 - 04/20/11 at 10:58:43
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H'mm. 3 e3 d5 could be daunting. I was assuming c2-c4 (now or over the next few moves), but does White have crunchy enough plans (+ move-order wrinkles) here to make this interesting I wonder ...
  
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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #10 - 04/20/11 at 10:23:25
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[quote author=32313B3D5C0 link=1271426128/6#6 date=1303259720]Thanks to both. Yes, I see what nestor meant now. I confess I hadn't realised the e3 anti-QID had such sting -- will take a look. Is 5 ...d5 considered the best defence? And are there any serious detractions to White entering the line via 3 e3 rather than 3 c4?[/quote]

You are right Michael - there are not many Karpov games with this structure in fact. I found just six: 2 vs Andersson, 1 each vs Portisch, Piket, Kramnik and Guliyev.
  
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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #9 - 04/20/11 at 09:57:10
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[quote author=3A393335540 link=1271426128/6#6 date=1303259720] And are there any serious detractions to White entering the line via 3 e3 rather than 3 c4?[/quote]

To contradict BPaulsen slightly, and depending on what you mean by "serious", after 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 e6 3 e3 d5 4 Bd3 c5 you end up in a pure Colle whether you respond with c3 or b3.

I noticed Hebden has been playing 3 e3 recently and he responds to 3...d5 with 4 c4 with a transposition to the 4 e3 QGD.  Malaniuk also plays this, although he tends to play 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 e6 3 e3 b6 4 c4 Bb7 5 Nc3 Bb4 with a Rubinstein Nimzo.
  
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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #8 - 04/20/11 at 01:07:52
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Good point, thanks. I imagine 3 ...c5 could be quite common at club level.

Incidentally I can find very few games played by Karpov with this system in my databases. Why is this?
  
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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #7 - 04/20/11 at 00:55:04
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[quote author=5A595355340 link=1271426128/6#6 date=1303259720]Thanks to both. Yes, I see what nestor meant now. I confess I hadn't realised the e3 anti-QID had such sting -- will take a look. Is 5 ...d5 considered the best defence? And are there any serious detractions to White entering the line via 3 e3 rather than 3 c4?[/quote]

First question: Yes.

Second question: No. Just be aware that 3...c5 can be annoying for white players unaccustomed to dealing with Hedgehog set-ups (...cxd4, b6, Bb7, Be7, 0-0, d6, etc.), so make sure you're aware of it.
  

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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #6 - 04/20/11 at 00:35:20
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Thanks to both. Yes, I see what nestor meant now. I confess I hadn't realised the e3 anti-QID had such sting -- will take a look. Is 5 ...d5 considered the best defence? And are there any serious detractions to White entering the line via 3 e3 rather than 3 c4?
  
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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #5 - 04/20/11 at 00:19:27
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Franco's book "The Art of Attacking Chess" contains a very useful chapter on this. Here's the relevant bit of Donaldson's review:

"The chapter on Horwitz Bishops (two Bishops raking adjacent diagonals often arising from positions with h anging pawns) is excellent and the game Gulko-Ehlvest, Horgen 1995, particularly instructive (13…g6!, 14…cxd4 and 15…Nh5!). One nice thing about older writers is they often have entertaining and instructive stories. One that got my attention was Franco’s relating how even Anatoly Karpov had trouble handling Najdorf’s e3 and b3 treatment against his Queen’s Indian when playing Don Miguel in blitz games in Argentina in the early 1980s – games Franco likely observed first hand as he grew up in Paraguay and played with both of the greats at Mar del Plata 1982. He concludes by noting that, 'Karpov made a thorough study of this line and began to play it himself with White, gaining some beautiful victories with this setup.' "

In the interests of full disclosure: I translated this book from Spanish into English, but I do not get paid royalties on sales, and thus have no reason to give other than an honest opinion.
  
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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #4 - 04/19/11 at 23:23:59
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[quote author=5053595F3E0 link=1271426128/3#3 date=1303255175][quote]Naturally all of the Queen's Indian books cover 4. e3. The recent books by Andrew Greet, Peter Wells and John Emms all focus on 5.....d5, and of course the ability to avoid this line is one of the attractions of the C-Z move order. [/quote]

I'm confused. Can someone help?[/quote]

I think he's mistaken. Black can play this setup against a Colle-Zukertort move order with 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.e3 b6 4.Bd3 Bb7 5.0-0 d5, though White doesn't have to play c4 and b3, Bb2 and Nbd2. Perhaps that's what nestor was trying to say.
  

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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #3 - 04/19/11 at 23:19:35
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[quote]Naturally all of the Queen's Indian books cover 4. e3. The recent books by Andrew Greet, Peter Wells and John Emms all focus on 5.....d5, and of course the ability to avoid this line is one of the attractions of the C-Z move order. [/quote]

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Re: Looking for Sources on 4.e3 QID
Reply #2 - 04/18/10 at 18:20:05
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The most obvious (to me) sources for White players reaching the e3 Queen's Indian from a Colle-Zukertort move order are
  • Starting out: d pawn attacks, by Richard Palliser (covers the C-Z and the e3 Queen's Indian)
  • A killer chess opening repertoire, by Aaron Summerscale (I haven't seen the updated version by Sverre Johnsen, which has only just been published, but the first edition covers much the same ground as the Starting Out book above).
I haven't seen the Colle-Zukertort books by David Rudel (which have caused much comment on this forum) and I don't know whether they cover the transposition to the e3 Queen's Indian. In any case Richard Palliser's book is very good (as are all of his books, I would say) and you may well find it covers the topic sufficiently on its own.

Naturally all of the Queen's Indian books cover 4. e3. The recent books by Andrew Greet, Peter Wells and John Emms all focus on 5.....d5, and of course the ability to avoid this line is one of the attractions of the C-Z move order.
  
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