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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #44 - 11/21/12 at 15:52:05
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On page 84, left column, Bauer says that:

(23... Rh2N was needed, when 24.Qc4 Qxc4 25.Bxc4 takes us back to the main line)

But actually his suggestion 23... Rh2 was not a novelty, I played that on 2001 on the IECG Cup, this was the game:

[Event "CP.2001.P.00083"]
[Site "IECG"]
[Date "2001.10.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Zanobini, Andrea"]
[Black "Quinones, Jorge"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "1839"]
[BlackElo "1000"]
[PlyCount "77"]
[EventDate "2001.10.01"]
[EventType "tourn (corr)"]
[EventCountry "ITA"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c6 6. Bc4 Bf5 7. Bd2 e6 8.
Qe2 Bb4 9. O-O-O Nbd7 10. a3 Bxc3 11. Bxc3 Qc7 12. Ne5 Nxe5 13. dxe5 Nd5 14.
Bd2 O-O-O 15. g4 Bg6 16. f4 h5 17. h3 Qb6 18. Rhf1 hxg4 19. hxg4 Qc5 20. Bb3
Rh3 21. Rf3 Rdh8 22. f5 exf5 23. gxf5 Rh2 24. Qc4 Qxc4 25. Bxc4 Bh5 26. Bxd5
cxd5 27. Rc3+ Kd7 28. e6+ fxe6 29. fxe6+ Kxe6 30. Re1+ Kf5 31. Rc7 Re8 32. Rxb7
Rxe1+ 33. Bxe1 Rh1 34. Kd2 Rh2+ 35. Kc3 Bd1 36. Rxa7 Rxc2+ 37. Kd4 Rxb2 38.
Rxg7 Re2 39. Bb4 1/2-1/2

Later it transposes to Garay-Ratering with the difference of 30... Kf5

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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #43 - 03/16/11 at 04:30:01
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HoemberChess wrote on 03/05/11 at 10:22:48:
Do you mean the 3..Qa5 variation? (good enough to reach 2200+)

It is interesting to see how the attitude of some of us has changed positively toward the 3..Qa5 Scandinavian with the publication of recent books on the subject.

Sorry, I missed your post.

I actually meant both 3.- Qa5 and 3.- Qd6. Neither is a surprise weapon nowadays. Even 3.- Qd8 isn't that stupid, although too passive for my taste.
AFAIR none of my opponents played more than 10 moves of theory.  They all either tried to deviate and make things interesting right away or reverted to routine development moves.

I wouldn't call Wahls' first book recent. Wink But yes, I think the Scandinavian is a normal opening below GM level.
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #42 - 03/16/11 at 04:18:42
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Thanks for the info, Eric. Smiley
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #41 - 03/15/11 at 16:23:29
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I confirm that Bauer (who like me lives  in Montpellier) has had access to all my games, analysis, books and published material : NIC, Chessbase, Chesspublishing, Europe-Echecs...

This comprises everything that has ever been written on the Scandinavian 3...Qa5 until 2008 Cool

I suppose the author cites only what he has found relevant and what he refers to in his own book!?

The idea Bc4, Bd2, Nd5xf6 is a good advice for White.
For it has represented a major axe of development for theory lately, "1.e4 according to Anand" is very much incomplete.
There is even a decisive omission at the end of the chapter on Qxf6. It was the main line at the time (now it is gxf6) which has been closed by Sanduleac-Prié Créon 2007. 
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #40 - 03/05/11 at 10:22:48
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Gorath wrote on 02/11/11 at 20:53:38:
Reverse wrote on 02/11/11 at 16:50:41:
Does anyone think that the scandinavian is a good enough opening to get someone from 2000 to 2200?  Are there positions that a low rated white player can force and make it virtually impossible for black to win due to their simplicity?

I'm in that range and played the Scandinavian in ca. 10 games against relatively strong opposition (2 or 3 IMs, a few 2200+ players, the rest 2000+). The result was ca. 2 wins, 8 draws, no losses. I had a lot of strange positions against the IMs and 2200+ players, but the Scandinavian proved to be extremely solid. They had to take huge risks to get winning chances, and then it often was a mess. Nobody knew the opening deeply enough to get any advantage whatsoever. The trouble later came simply because they are the better players.
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Do you mean the 3..Qa5 variation? (good enough to reach 2200+)

It is interesting to see how the attitude of some of us has changed positively toward the 3..Qa5 Scandinavian with the publication of recent books on the subject.
  

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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #39 - 02/11/11 at 21:02:16
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Ametanoitos wrote on 02/03/11 at 22:33:16:
You mean Wahls in the recent NIC book? Does he recommend Qxf6? Also Bauer consideres the gxf6 equal? My Bauer book is on the way and i consider ordering the Wahls' book also.


Wahls probably wasn't involved that much in the project. He was already knee deep into his (incredibly successful, I might add) poker business. I think I read somewhere that the other authors provided a lot of help to finish the book.
If I'm not mistaken it's mainly a Scandinavian with Qa5 pawn structure book with an attached theory update. They break the opening down into ca 30 typical pawn structures and explain plans and optimal piece placement. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

I would have hoped for a real update to Wahls' first book. It was a masterpiece.
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #38 - 02/11/11 at 20:53:38
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Reverse wrote on 02/11/11 at 16:50:41:
Does anyone think that the scandinavian is a good enough opening to get someone from 2000 to 2200?  Are there positions that a low rated white player can force and make it virtually impossible for black to win due to their simplicity?

I'm in that range and played the Scandinavian in ca. 10 games against relatively strong opposition (2 or 3 IMs, a few 2200+ players, the rest 2000+). The result was ca. 2 wins, 8 draws, no losses. I had a lot of strange positions against the IMs and 2200+ players, but the Scandinavian proved to be extremely solid. They had to take huge risks to get winning chances, and then it often was a mess. Nobody knew the opening deeply enough to get any advantage whatsoever. The trouble later came simply because they are the better players.

I found it more problematic to play for a win with black against the 2000+ players. Say white plays simple development moves and takes no risks. Pieces to the center, castles somewhere, rooks to the middle ... all the stuff which would have made Tarrasch proud. Black plays all the standard moves. And then what? Creating winning chances from such a slightly passive, even though clearly equal, position is not trivial. GM Wahls was very successfull with the Qa5 lines because he was mainly a technical player. He simply kept on playing on forever.
It's a bit easier with the Qd6 lines because neutral moves can be answered with stuff borrowed from the semi slav (a6, b5, Bb7, 0-0, Nbd7, Rc8, Rd8, c5). The disadvantage is that (I believe) white can force black into passive lines with c6 instead of a6.

Summing it up:
- the Scandinavian is very solid
- it's positionally sound
- neutral moves by white aren't dangerous
- white has to go down the main lines to have chances for an advantage
- it's very easy to get into. It's far less theory than a RL or a SI main line.
- all those weird gambits are very dangerous for both sides. I doubt they're objectively sound. Most white players avoid them though, so maybe there's a chance for a bluff.
- winning with black is not easy. You often need a lot of patience and technical skill.
- exchanging everything to a draw isn't easy either.
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #37 - 02/11/11 at 17:12:30
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Excellent opening for a 2000 to get to 2200. The answer to your second question is no.
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #36 - 02/11/11 at 16:50:41
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Does anyone think that the scandinavian is a good enough opening to get someone from 2000 to 2200?  Are there positions that a low rated white player can force and make it virtually impossible for black to win due to their simplicity?
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #35 - 02/08/11 at 02:56:34
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i have Houska's book and below i have copied some analysis from it. Have there been any major developments in the lines below?

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "47"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 c6 5. Bc4 Nf6 6. Nf3 Bf5 7. Bd2 e6 8.
Qe2 Bb4 9. Ne5 Nbd7 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 (10... Kxd7 11. O-O-O Nd5 12. Bxd5 cxd5 13.
g4 Bg6 14. f4 Rac8 15. Rhf1 Bxc3 16. Bxc3 Qa6 17. Qxa6 bxa6 18. Rd2 Be4) 11. a3
Nf6 12. O-O-O Bxc3 13. Bxc3 Qc7 14. d5 cxd5 15. Bb5+ Kf8 16. f3 a6 17. g4 Bg6
18. Bd3 Qf4+ 19. Kb1 Nd7 20. h4 Kg8 21. h5 Bxd3 22. Rxd3 h6 23. Rd4 Qd6 24. f4
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #34 - 02/04/11 at 04:04:01
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kylemeister wrote on 02/03/11 at 22:51:05:
I find curious the idea that if (as has been commonly held) White should be able to attain "+/=" against the Scandinavian, that means that it "can be played up to 1800" only.


The following games show that it was really a typo and he meant 2800  Cheesy :


[Event "Zurich Champions Rapid"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.08.23"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "2788"]
[BlackElo "2759"]
[PlyCount "36"]
[EventDate "2009.08.??"]
[EventType "tourn (rapid)"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "SUI"]
[EventCategory "18"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2009.08.24"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. d4 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. Qd2 O-O 8.
h3 Nc6 9. O-O-O Nd5 10. Nxd5 Qxd5 11. c4 Qa5 12. Qxa5 Nxa5 13. d5 b6 14. Bd3
Ba6 15. b3 c6 16. Rhe1 cxd5 17. cxd5 Bb7 18. Bg5 Bxd5 1/2-1/2

[Event "Wch Blitz"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2009.11.16"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "2801"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "46"]
[EventDate "2009.11.16"]
[EventType "tourn (blitz)"]
[EventRounds "42"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[EventCategory "19"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2009.11.30"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 g6 6. Nb5 Qb6 7. c4 c6 8. Nc3
Bg7 9. Be2 O-O 10. O-O Bg4 11. h3 Bxf3 12. Bxf3 Rd8 13. d5 cxd5 14. cxd5 Na6
15. Qe2 Nb4 16. Rd1 Rac8 17. a3 Qa6 18. Qxa6 Nxa6 19. Nb5 Nc7 20. Nxa7 Ra8 21.
d6 Rxd6 22. Bf4 Rxa7 23. Bxd6 exd6 1-0


  

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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #33 - 02/03/11 at 22:51:05
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I find curious the idea that if (as has been commonly held) White should be able to attain "+/=" against the Scandinavian, that means that it "can be played up to 1800" only.
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #32 - 02/03/11 at 22:33:16
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You mean Wahls in the recent NIC book? Does he recommend Qxf6? Also Bauer consideres the gxf6 equal? My Bauer book is on the way and i consider ordering the Wahls' book also.
  
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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #31 - 02/03/11 at 21:57:13
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1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c6 6. Bc4 Bf5 7. Bd2 e6 8.
Nd5 Qd8 9. Nxf6+ Qxf6 (9... gxf6 {Bauer's recommendation, but Wahls evaluates
this position as slightly better for white;}) 10. Qe2 {Shirov's novelty, afaik found otb}
Bg4 (10... Nd7 11. O-O-O Nb6 12. h4 h6 13. Bg5 Qg6 14. Ne5 Qh7 15. d5) 11. d5 (
11. O-O-O) 11... Bxf3 12. gxf3 cxd5 13. Bxd5 Nd7 14. O-O-O O-O-O 15. Be4 Qe5
16. Bc3 Qc7 *

There are more lines about this line in this forum, search and you will find Wink

  

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Re: New book: Play the scandinavian (Bauer)
Reply #30 - 02/03/11 at 16:58:46
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What is this Shirov line exactly?

Since you consider it critical I assume it's something other than the "Kupreichik variation" 4.d4 c6 5.Bc4 Nf6 6.Bd2, which the German authors avoid by instead playing 4.d4 Nf6 5.Bc4 Nc6!? or 5...Bg4!?. All according to the above pdf excerpt.
  

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