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Re: Poisoned pawn variation: 9Qd3?!
Reply #5 - 05/28/10 at 21:25:09
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There are two reasons I can think of directly:
-Lines where black doesnt play Qxb2, but Nc6 look better for black than the lines with 8.Qd2 Nc6 (recommended by Georgiev in his update on the sharpest sicilian.
-In the PP the queen often goes to the 5th row (eg Qb2-a3-a5). With the queen on d3 this means that the bishop on g5 is often hanging (or rather the threat is there), giving white less options (eg after f5 there is no fxe6).
  

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Re: Poisoned pawn variation: 9Qd3?!
Reply #4 - 05/28/10 at 18:27:53
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I think 8. Qd3 is a fine move and probably is objectively equal (although as usual in the Poisoned Pawn, White gets full compensation for the pawn in the form of an ongoing and board-wide initiative).  I believe 8. Qd2 is probably at least as good, but requires an (even) greater investment in theoretical preparation due to the greater number of high level games in the line.*

* - Saying there is a "greater number of high level games" in the traditional Poisoned Pawn is the understatement of the year, as you probably know.
  
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Re: Poisoned pawn variation: 9Qd3?!
Reply #3 - 05/05/10 at 15:20:11
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As often with recently trendy ideas, best source very likely this site. There's been quite a lot about this in the last couple of months update(s) on this site: Gashimov has played it against Grischuk a couple of times recently, including that wonderful king match to b1 from the World teams champs in 2010(for black to win!). 

Seems very messy, dangerous enough and objectively drawn. So not so different from the main lines perhaps.

Looks like the queen doesn't go to g3 nowadays. White seems to start with f5/fe then throws his g pawn forward.

Then the Q ends up on various squares like h3 to pin the h6 pawn(!) or light squared holes on the kingside etc. Obviously playing that aggressively is very dependent on some serious preperation/specific tactics.
  
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Re: Poisoned pawn variation: 9Qd3?!
Reply #2 - 05/05/10 at 13:11:32
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In the first place, I agree that Sponge Bob is cool.  I have a talking Sponge Bob doll in my office at work.  When you shake him he says things like, "OK, Now I shake you!" and when you put him down he says things like, "Play with me!" and "Tum de dum. Over here!"  Actually I think this doll is the reason they game me a private office.

But I wouldn't trust stats too much with a move that would normally come as a surprise to people, not with only 77 games anyway (check the ratings).  The main idea of this move is to play Qg3; what its drawbacks are I'm not sure, but I assume they include that the queen is more exposed on d3.

Personally I consider the main lines of the Poisoned Pawn to be so attractive for White that I wouldn't dream of not entering them, given the chance.  Read Experts and lift some Black scalps.  Super against higher rateds if you're booked up; deadly against lower rateds.

  

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Re: Poisoned pawn variation: 9Qd3?!
Reply #1 - 05/05/10 at 02:28:22
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I have more games with 8.Qd3 (must be a typo of yours) in my database: slightly more than 120. Especially in 2009 White's results were excellent. White's most popular continuation was 8...Qxb2 9.Rb1 Qa3 10.f5
a) 10...Nc6 11.fxe6 fxe6 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.Be2 Be7 14.0-0 Gashimov-Areshtshenko, 2006 while 14.Bh5+ Nxh5 15.Bxe7 Nf4 16.Qd4 also seems to be equal.
b) 10...Be7 11.Be2 Radjabov-Rowson, 2004 and Shabalov-Krush, 2009.

So nothing special seems to be wrong with 8.Qd3 at first sight. The only relevant remark I found was that the idea e5, Ne4 is not possible anymore. However note that White still played e4-e5 in Shabalov-Krush: 10...Be7 11.Be2 Nc6 12.fxe6 fxe6 13.Nxc6 bxc6 (now line a and b have transposed) 14.e5 dxe5 15.Bxf6 gxf6 16.Bh5+ Kf8 17.0-0 and now the silicon suggestion is 17...e4.
  

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Poisoned pawn variation: 9Qd3?!
05/04/10 at 22:05:58
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I just came across the move 9.Qd3 and I found out that it scores quite well in my database (63.0% over 77 games in Powerbook 2010). Could anybody please tell me why this move is played less often then Qd2 and Nb3? And how should the game continue after Qd3?

I'm interested in playing this move and avoiding the main lines (in the poisoned pawn variation), but maybe there's something wrong with the non-standard queen move.

Thanks in advance.
  
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