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Re: PGN or CBV?
Reply #14 - 05/13/10 at 22:37:11
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The ChessBase graphical annotations are only visible under the FritzGUI, as far as I know. In Arena and SCID there is only the code as annotation visible.
  
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Jupp53 wrote on 05/12/10 at 20:02:44:
I'm using SCID and Arena and Chess Assistant/Aquarium. I have Fritz11 and could use *.cbv too.

If you look at a PGN game using SCID can you see the arrows, etc., or does it look like [%cal Gd7a4] in the annotations? Undecided
  
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Re: PGN or CBV?
Reply #12 - 05/13/10 at 00:40:33
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Using arrows can be useful. A so typical example that it's stereotypal can be found in the Dragon: both Rc8 and Bg7 pointing to c3.
But quite often arrows are only used as a gimmick.
  
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Reply #11 - 05/12/10 at 21:30:16
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1) I ALWAYS prefer .pgn. If it comes in any format, the first thing I do is change it to .pgn so it can be useful to me. Other formats are silly.

Per the arrows and color highlights... usually its useless annoying but sometimes it is good to finish in a position indicating the key squares and plan. You see the idea easier I think then typing out a long paragraph.
  
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Reply #10 - 05/12/10 at 20:02:44
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Sometimes a coloured square may be useful as highligther. But text and variants are more important and sufficient.

*.pgn is the format I prefer. I'm using SCID and Arena and Chess Assistant/Aquarium. I have Fritz11 and could use *.cbv too. But I didn't install it so far on my new pc and will do only if really necessary.
  
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Reply #9 - 05/12/10 at 19:15:18
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Yes - well I do anyhow - I'd prefer the games not to have any fancy arrows and coloured squares if possible, they are just an annoyance for me.
  
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Reply #8 - 05/12/10 at 18:51:11
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Incidentally, does anyone find these arrows and coloured squares anything but distracting? I understand they might be useful for beginners, but surely not on an opening theory site? Undecided
If an annotator writes that White controls a particular diagonal, or Black's c-pawn is weak, I can easily see whether that is true by looking at the board and I don't need fancy colours to help me.
But perhaps that's just me? Any thoughts?
  
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Re: Playable e-book (cbv format)
Reply #7 - 05/11/10 at 12:57:55
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TalJechin wrote on 05/11/10 at 12:17:30:

Actually, i don't see any arrows. I guess the [%cal Gd7a4] is supposed to show something like a d7-a4 arrow or something but maybe you need CB10 for that...

Yes, they show up as arrows/squares in CB10 and CBLight 2009, but look kinda ugly in CB9, CB Light 2007 and even older versions. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #6 - 05/11/10 at 12:17:30
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 05/10/10 at 23:35:39:
In JW's May update, have a look at the game Petrosian-Swiercz in the PGN file, you should see lots of arrows and coloured squares in the notes. At least you will in ChessBase, I have no idea if these show up in other programs?! Undecided
Whether they add anything to the game is another question!
Anyway, this is wandering off subject - back to the Playable eBooks! Wink


Actually, i don't see any arrows. I guess the [%cal Gd7a4] is supposed to show something like a d7-a4 arrow or something but maybe you need CB10 for that...
  
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Re: Playable e-book (cbv format)
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In JW's May update, have a look at the game Petrosian-Swiercz in the PGN file, you should see lots of arrows and coloured squares in the notes. At least you will in ChessBase, I have no idea if these show up in other programs?! Undecided
Whether they add anything to the game is another question!
Anyway, this is wandering off subject - back to the Playable eBooks! Wink
  
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Re: Playable e-book (cbv format)
Reply #4 - 05/10/10 at 22:51:56
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TalJechin wrote on 05/08/10 at 17:08:07:
Btw, is there any reason, except tradition, why the updates are in pgn and not cbv? 

Wouldn't it be nifty to be able to highlight squares, add arrows and so on?

As Stigma says, PGN is the Internet standard, CBH is a ChessBase proprietary format that can't be used on Linux, Mac, etc.
However, highlighted arrows and squares can be used in PGN anyway! I will post an example later on.
  
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Re: Playable e-book (cbv format)
Reply #3 - 05/08/10 at 23:46:29
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TalJechin wrote on 05/08/10 at 20:03:43:

I'd suppose the original files of the updates are cbh, so offering cbv and pgn shouldn't be too much trouble.

Besides, with the cbv-ebooks we don't see the macs etc complaining...

Maybe some GMs are using Chess Assistant? I think it's more popular in Russia, for example.

With the cbv e-books there are pdf alternatives. But I agree .cbv for individual updates too would be a nice service for not that much extra work. But would the commentators actually use the extra graphics, knowing that part of the readership won't see the fancy arrows and squares anyway?
  
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Re: Playable e-book (cbv format)
Reply #2 - 05/08/10 at 20:03:43
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Stigma wrote on 05/08/10 at 19:19:58:
TalJechin wrote on 05/08/10 at 17:08:07:
Btw, is there any reason, except tradition, why the updates are in pgn and not cbv? 

Wouldn't it be nifty to be able to highlight squares, add arrows and so on?

The files should be usable for Mac, Linux or for that matter Chess Assistant or SCID users too, don't you think?

So even if there were .cbv files there would still be a need for .pgn versions. Simpler then to stick to one format.


I'd suppose the original files of the updates are cbh, so offering cbv and pgn shouldn't be too much trouble.

Besides, with the cbv-ebooks we don't see the macs etc complaining...
  
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Re: Playable e-book (cbv format)
Reply #1 - 05/08/10 at 19:19:58
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TalJechin wrote on 05/08/10 at 17:08:07:
Btw, is there any reason, except tradition, why the updates are in pgn and not cbv? 

Wouldn't it be nifty to be able to highlight squares, add arrows and so on?

The files should be usable for Mac, Linux or for that matter Chess Assistant or SCID users too, don't you think?

So even if there were .cbv files there would still be a need for .pgn versions. Simpler then to stick to one format.
  
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05/08/10 at 17:08:07
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Btw, is there any reason, except tradition, why the updates are in pgn and not cbv? 

Wouldn't it be nifty to be able to highlight squares, add arrows and so on?
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