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Re: Modern defence Austrian attack
Reply #5 - 07/05/17 at 12:19:24
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Playing the Modern against the Austrian is usually generating pretty sharp games, but for both sides! It's developing a fight in which the stronger (and maybe better prepared) player should take home the full point.
To some degree, White cannot rest on his big center and normal piece development, since anytime Black might strike back in the appropiate moment.
As you pointed out, if White wants to limit the risk by spending a full tmepo on the poor a3, Black immediately should be fine.

As in a lot of different Modern lines, Black should retain flexibily in order to survive White's critical replies and must be prepared for all kind of ideas (some of them are solid, some are critical), for example after

1.e4 g6 2.Bg7 d4 3.Nc3 d6 4.f4 a6 5.Nf3 b5 6.Bd3 Nd7 Black needs to know, what to do after 7.e5 c5 8.Be4/8.Ng5/8.e6 as well as 7.Be3 Bb7 8.e5/8.0-0/Qe2 just to name a few.

In my mind, the Modern is hard to learn, but it can pay off not only in terms of good preperation but in chess understanding in general.
  
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Re: Modern defence Austrian attack
Reply #4 - 06/30/17 at 08:52:09
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The Wei Yi-Carlsen game was great!

Of course you could argue that at my own humble level of chess, the Modern after 4 f4 might, paradoxically, be a good option! After all there are dangers for White as well as Black and a well-prepared Black could hope to capitalise -- for example it wouldn't surprise me if down at the chess club quite a few opponents went in for an inappropriate/passive a2-a3, potentially giving Black a good game virtually immediately ...
  
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Re: Modern defence Austrian attack
Reply #3 - 06/29/17 at 18:55:22
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Michael Ayton wrote on 06/29/17 at 11:16:04:
After 4 f4, personally I'd retreat to Pirc lines! Smiley


Well, that's of course a perfectly sound option, but playing the Modern against the Austrian should be fun as well!  Grin

JhF wrote on 05/13/10 at 17:17:27:
This is the mainline of the modern Austrian attack:

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. f4 a6 5. Nf3 b5 6. Bd3 Nd7 7. e5 c5 8. Be4 Rb8 9.0-0 cxd4 10.Nxd4 dxe5 11.Nc6 Qb6+ 12.Kh1


Quite an interesting and sharp line, which is covered in-depth in The Modern Tiger.
First of all, Black has an alternative along the way in 9...Nh6 intending 10.exd6 0-0!? with unclear play. In the position after 9...cxd4 and finally 12.Kh1, Tiger (p.33) briefly discusses 12...b4 (appearently a specialty by V. Nithander), but after 13.Na4! Qc7 (13...Qb5 14.c4!) 14. Nxb8 Qxb8 15.fxe5! (the engine likes this move best) Black's compensation seems dubious.

I remember a game played by Carlsen (Black) last year vs. Wei,Yi, which continued differently (but nevertheless just as exciting) with 8.Be3 Bb7 9.Be4 Bxe4 10.Nxe4 Nh6 11.dxc5 dxe5 and Carlsen went on to win.
I don't know about the current evaluation of this line (and the Modern Austrian in general!), but would be great to see more of these high-level examples!  Cheesy
  
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Re: Modern defence Austrian attack
Reply #2 - 05/13/10 at 17:17:27
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This is the mainline of the modern Austrian attack:

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. f4 a6 5. Nf3 b5 6. Bd3 Nd7 7. e5 c5 8. Be4 Rb8 9.0-0 cxd4 10.Nxd4 dxe5 11.Nc6 Qb6+ 12.Kh1

Another options for black is 7..Bb7.
  
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Re: Modern defence Austrian attack
Reply #1 - 05/13/10 at 14:33:11
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For those of us who are not super familiar, can you give the moves to get to the above position?  Thanks.
  
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Modern defence Austrian attack
05/13/10 at 11:24:50
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I had a game featuring the mainline austrian attack against the modern and we reach this known position (me as white):

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The game continued 12...b4 13.Nxb8 Qxb8 14.Nd5 e6 15.Ne3 Ngf6 16.Bc6 0-0 17.Bxd7 Nxd7 18.fxe5 Nxe5 19.Ng4 Nxg4 20.Qxg4 Qb5 21.Bd2 a5 22.c3 f5 23.Qh5 Bb7 24.Rf2 Be4 25.Re1 Qc4 26.Qg3 a5 27.cxb4 Bd4 28.Rfe2 Qxa2 29.Bc3 Qc4 30.Rd2 Bxc3 31.bxc3 f4 32.Qg4 Bd5 33.Rc2 Qd3 34.Qe2 Qxe2 35.Rexe2 f3 36.Rf2 fxg2+ 37.Kg1 Rc8 38.c4!

Amazingly I won this position because of a number of mistakes by my opponent but as you can see from the game score I was in trouble up to move 37.

12..Ngf6 is more commonplace but this game proved to me that 12..b4 should certainly be considered and unfortunately I had not analysed it before this game. In Hillarp Persson's book this move is mentioned in the passing but it gives no concrete evaluation.

Has anyone analysed this move here on chesspub recently. In the playable ebook here on chesspub it only gives 12..Ngf6. Does black have full compensation?
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