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Re: Beating 1.e4 e5 by Emms
Reply #16 - 05/22/10 at 15:01:49
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Willempie wrote on 05/22/10 at 09:41:57:
Jonathan Tait wrote on 05/22/10 at 06:22:56:
...you're trying to defend the black side of it against a strong player

That is true even if he starts with 1.a3.


a strong player not a much stronger player
  

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Reply #15 - 05/22/10 at 11:09:41
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Willempie wrote on 05/20/10 at 09:46:22:
The title seems as misleading as his "attacking with 1.e4". I am sure the book will be good analysis-wise, but the bishop and Italian (probably with d3) are hardly threatening to a black player, unless he can't afford coffee to stay awake.


The Italian with c3 and d3 is a sound opening with plenty of scope for outplaying the opponent. There are many GMs who like to play it, since it often leads to "Spanish-like" play, whilst avoiding having to book up on loads of Ruy Lopez theory. Specialists tend to score well with it.

Admittedly this is not a very good choice for weaker club players seeking to improve, who would benefit from playing something more open and direct, with less quiet manoeuvring, as we have discussed many times in this forum.

For any stronger club players who want to take up this line, I can recommend the DVD by Kindermann, which I found much more instructive than the one by Collins.
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Reply #14 - 05/22/10 at 09:41:57
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 05/22/10 at 06:22:56:
Willempie wrote on 05/20/10 at 09:46:22:
the bishop and Italian (probably with d3) are hardly threatening to a black player, unless


...you're trying to defend the black side of it against a strong player

That is true even if he starts with 1.a3.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Reply #13 - 05/22/10 at 06:22:56
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Willempie wrote on 05/20/10 at 09:46:22:
the bishop and Italian (probably with d3) are hardly threatening to a black player, unless


...you're trying to defend the black side of it against a strong player
  

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Reply #12 - 05/21/10 at 08:06:13
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Given that John's the head editor at Everyman I'm sure he did have something to do with the title, but so what? There's more ways than one of beating 1...e5 and if the Italian's good enough for a number of 2600 players (and John) on a semi-regular basis I'm sure it's good enough for us.

As for Gary Lane having done books on the opening previously, I'm assuming you've never read of GL's books, then? The fact he's covered an opening recently is generally an argument for another book rather than against, I should have thought.
  
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I am not worrying about the quality at all. I just dont see the wisdom of the marketing department in the naming and subject matter.
  

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Reply #10 - 05/20/10 at 21:33:38
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Willempie wrote on 05/20/10 at 09:46:22:
The title seems as misleading as his "attacking with 1.e4". I am sure the book will be good analysis-wise, but the bishop and Italian (probably with d3) are hardly threatening to a black player, unless he can't afford coffee to stay awake.


Not probably, definitely.

I am also thinking that Gary Lane has already done two repertoire books covering essentially this material, and Sam (aka Mr. Haitch) Collins a DVD featuring it.

Nevertheless Emms is a fairly diligent analyst an author so I expect this latest work to be of a reasonably high quality.

Regarding the book's misleading title, could be that Emms had nothing to do with that.

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Reply #9 - 05/20/10 at 09:46:22
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The title seems as misleading as his "attacking with 1.e4". I am sure the book will be good analysis-wise, but the bishop and Italian (probably with d3) are hardly threatening to a black player, unless he can't afford coffee to stay awake.
  

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Re: Beating 1.e4 e5 by Emms
Reply #8 - 05/20/10 at 02:13:39
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Oh, equal play can be very inspiring. But I don't think the Karjakin-Smeets game belongs to that kind.
Of course there are people who enjoy 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d3 as well. I like a bit more tension.
  

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Reply #7 - 05/20/10 at 02:09:46
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MNb wrote on 05/19/10 at 20:06:31:
Like Karjakin-Smeets, Amber 2010, you mean? Not that inspiring.


If you only find books that prove a white edge against everything inspiring, your library must be quite small. White can't do this against any solid Ruy system either.
  
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Reply #6 - 05/19/10 at 20:42:49
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Offhand one might wonder what Emms' book has to say about the line in which he lost in 28 moves earlier this month ...
  
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Re: Beating 1.e4 e5 by Emms
Reply #5 - 05/19/10 at 20:06:31
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Like Karjakin-Smeets, Amber 2010, you mean? Not that inspiring.
  

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Re: Beating 1.e4 e5 by Emms
Reply #4 - 05/19/10 at 12:46:52
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MNb wrote on 05/19/10 at 09:57:08:
I am curious what Emms will recommend against the symmetrical 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nf3 d6 5.c3 c6.


I'd be fairly certain it's something to the tune of 6. 0-0 0-0 7. h3 h6 8. Nbd2 Nbd7 9. Bb3 Bb6 10. Re1 Re8 11. d4, in some order of moves.
  
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Re: Beating 1.e4 e5 by Emms
Reply #3 - 05/19/10 at 10:58:37
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Anders wrote on 05/19/10 at 08:42:49:
There is a promise of 2 free updates on the website which is useful.

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FREE UPDATES

Within the first 12 months of publication, 2 free updates of this book will be available for download here, completely free of charge.
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/ A

Ps.
I think Kindermann have recently made a DVD that covers the Italian game from a White perspective.


Interesting... perhaps the future of chess books? After the book is pusblished the reader get 1 or 2 updates to prolong the theoretical value of the book?
  
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Re: Beating 1.e4 e5 by Emms
Reply #2 - 05/19/10 at 09:57:08
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I am curious what Emms will recommend against the symmetrical 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nf3 d6 5.c3 c6.
  

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