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Re: Trying to understand KID position
Reply #7 - 05/24/10 at 19:35:54
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...g5 seems far more thematic and on point than ...b6(?!) I don't really see why Black should spend time away from the K-side with a move that doesn't really help development. If white wants to get rid of a key piece such as the Be3 for the Nc5, Black should encourage it!
  
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Re: Trying to understand KID position
Reply #6 - 05/24/10 at 15:16:41
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17...g5 is indeed a book move, which is supposed to lead to unclearness after 18. e5.
  
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Re: Trying to understand KID position
Reply #5 - 05/24/10 at 13:30:02
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I think 17...g5!? is a good attempt, e.g. 18.g3 (18.Nb5 maybe better) 18...gxf4! 19.gxf4 Qh4 with excellent counterplay.
  
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Re: Trying to understand KID position
Reply #4 - 05/22/10 at 12:22:12
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I like the position from Fischer's Ng4 and I prefer it to b6. Perhaps black players play b6 for the same reason as me, that they have not studied the position and do not want to get into such critical positions after Ng4.

11..Ng4 12.Bxc5 bxc5 13.h3 Nf6 14.Nxe5 Nxd5 15.cxd5 Bxe5 16.f4 Bd4+ 17.Kh2 Bd7

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Re: Trying to understand KID position
Reply #3 - 05/22/10 at 01:08:58
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Well, ...b6 is quite a main move after (the more usual) 10. Bg5 h6 11. Be3, and seems quite decent after 10. Be3 (e.g. it is given as leading to equality by Panczyk & Ilczuk).  It seems that the immediate ...Ng4 is more attractive with the pawn on h7 than on h6; I remember Fischer playing it long ago in the latter case (12. Bxc5 dc 13. h3 Nf6 14. Nxe5 Nxd5), but that seemed to fall somewhat out of favor.   
  
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Re: Trying to understand KID position
Reply #2 - 05/22/10 at 00:22:28
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Thank you kylemeister for looking it up for me. I must get some reference like this myself.

While I have you on the hook, how should black react to Be3 when he has Nc5. e.g. instead of 10.Ne1 white plays 10.Be3 in the above line. So far I have had an inclination towards playing b6 in such positions.

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Re: Trying to understand KID position
Reply #1 - 05/21/10 at 23:54:13
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10. Ne1 looks a bit unusual to me, but it is mentioned in some books.  For example ECO (3rd ed.) gave it a column, with 10...Nfd7 as the main reply, leading to equality.
  
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Trying to understand KID position
05/21/10 at 23:21:18
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I have been playing the KID for a while now without much knowledge, just to try to get a feel for the different strategies before I fully immerse myself in heavy theory. I try to play against opponents that are not that strong in order to explore various early deviations from the mainlines.

Against a certain player I keep on getting the same position and I think know enough about KID theory to be able to tell that what he playes is not standard.

The position I reach against him is the same regardless of whether I play 6..e5 or 6..Na6.

e.g. 6..Na6 7.0-0 e5 8.d5 Nc5 9.Qc2 a5 10.Ne1 and here I typically play 10..Nfd7 and later f5.

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I would like to know if what I play is the correct continuation and whether black has equalised yet? For all I know there might be something better than 10..Nfd7.
  
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