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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: French Fort Knox (5.d5) Reply #7 - 06/15/10 at 15:11:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	Fromper wrote on 06/15/10 at 15:02:13: BPaulsen wrote on 06/15/10 at 04:26:33: 5...exd5 6. Qxd5 Nc6 seems straightforward enough, with black just aiming to develop, simplify, and draw. Alternatively due to white's awkward Ne4, 5...Qe7 deserves thought intending 6. dxe6 Qxe6, and black can continue development with Bc6, Nd7, 0-0-0, etc. Optically this seems more ambitious. But what if white doesn't take with 6. dxe6? It seems at first glance that black's pieces would be awkwardly placed. BPaulsen wrote on 06/15/10 at 04:26:33: Something of an axiom (at least to me) is that in unorthodox/counterintuitive opening variations (such as white's d5) the best responses tend to be unorthodox themselves. I've gotten in trouble plenty of times by trying to play the opening on auto-pilot instead of `playing chess` and figuring out the problems as they come. Good thought. Black is threatening exd5, and I don't see anything white has of interest to stop black from playing it, and then developing extremely fast (now that no Q trade is available for white he has some awkward problems due to the Ne4).

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Fromper Senior Member Offline GrandPatzer Posts: 378 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Joined: 03/12/10 Gender:	Re: French Fort Knox (5.d5) Reply #6 - 06/15/10 at 15:02:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	BPaulsen wrote on 06/15/10 at 04:26:33: 5...exd5 6. Qxd5 Nc6 seems straightforward enough, with black just aiming to develop, simplify, and draw. Alternatively due to white's awkward Ne4, 5...Qe7 deserves thought intending 6. dxe6 Qxe6, and black can continue development with Bc6, Nd7, 0-0-0, etc. Optically this seems more ambitious. But what if white doesn't take with 6. dxe6? It seems at first glance that black's pieces would be awkwardly placed. BPaulsen wrote on 06/15/10 at 04:26:33: Something of an axiom (at least to me) is that in unorthodox/counterintuitive opening variations (such as white's d5) the best responses tend to be unorthodox themselves. I've gotten in trouble plenty of times by trying to play the opening on auto-pilot instead of `playing chess` and figuring out the problems as they come. Good thought.

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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: French Fort Knox (5.d5) Reply #5 - 06/15/10 at 14:47:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	H-HH wrote on 06/15/10 at 13:51:14: I think 5... e5 is possible, folowing up with Bd6, Ne7, f6 if necessary, 0-0, maybe Bg4(f5) and Nd7, when black has easy and solid development and white lacks pawns breaks since he already played d5. Any thougths? After 5...e5 I'd be wary of the awkward Bd7, long-term. White's 5. d5 does gain space, so losing out on pawn breaks isn't that big of a deal.

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H-HH Junior Member Offline Posts: 95 Location: Brasil Joined: 03/18/06 Gender:	Re: French Fort Knox (5.d5) Reply #4 - 06/15/10 at 13:51:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think 5... e5 is possible, folowing up with Bd6, Ne7, f6 if necessary, 0-0, maybe Bg4(f5) and Nd7, when black has easy and solid development and white lacks pawns breaks since he already played d5. Any thougths?

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Tan Kien Wei YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 3 Joined: 06/14/10	Re: French Fort Knox (5.d5) Reply #3 - 06/15/10 at 08:50:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi all, My opponent took the d5 pawn with Qxd5. For instance after 6. Qxd5 Nc6 7. Bg5 Be7 8. O-O-O, with pressure on d7 and the option of Qb5 and Bc4, depending on how Black responds. In certain lines, if you were to chase away the g5 bishop with h6, the bishop can retreat to d2 and then c3, controlling the a1-h8 diagonal. 5.... Qe7 looks interesting. After doing some analysis, it seems like the threat of Qb4 should deter White from playing Bg5. I will give 5...Qe7 a try. Thank you.


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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: French Fort Knox (5.d5) Reply #2 - 06/15/10 at 04:26:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	5...exd5 6. Qxd5 Nc6 seems straightforward enough, with black just aiming to develop, simplify, and draw. Alternatively due to white's awkward Ne4, 5...Qe7 deserves thought intending 6. dxe6 Qxe6, and black can continue development with Bc6, Nd7, 0-0-0, etc. Optically this seems more ambitious. Something of an axiom (at least to me) is that in unorthodox/counterintuitive opening variations (such as white's d5) the best responses tend to be unorthodox themselves. I've gotten in trouble plenty of times by trying to play the opening on auto-pilot instead of `playing chess` and figuring out the problems as they come.

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Fromper Senior Member Offline GrandPatzer Posts: 378 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Joined: 03/12/10 Gender:	Re: French Fort Knox (5.d5) Reply #1 - 06/14/10 at 20:38:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm a weaker player than you, but my first instinct is that you shouldn't take the pawn, because that's what white wants. When you take d5, does he recapture with the queen immediately, or play it as a gambit?

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Tan Kien Wei YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 3 Joined: 06/14/10	C03,C10: French Fort Knox (5.d5) 06/14/10 at 19:09:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi all, I recently came across a player who played 5.d5 against my Fort Knox system. I am a 2000 rated player, yet I faced certain difficulties against this move. The starting opening moves are as followed: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bd7 5.d5!? I tried exd5 and I was in trouble in both games. White's play was alot easier to play, with moves such as Bg5, O-O-O, Bc4/Bb5 coming. Most of the time, my king was stuck in the center. I have checked with the theory, however, it seems like "nobody" had ever played 5.d5 so far. Dear chess friends, any idea on how to counter this system? Thanks, Kien Wei
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