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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #16 - 08/10/10 at 02:26:51
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micawber wrote on 06/18/10 at 03:44:57:
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Imho Black should have played 9...g5! iso 9...0-0
leading to the following position


To illustrate the kind of game I like to see in the KG
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10.Nxg5N!!   
An interesting sac, one exclamation mark for the quality of the sac and one for pure daring.
If white tries to play 'ordinary' moves, he will quickly sink into a cheerless position.
10........,   Bxg5
11.Qe2+
11........., Be7      
11...Qe7 seems critical: 12.Qh5,c6 and Black should retain the somewhat better chances.


Funny thing is that I also played 10.Nxg5N!! this year in a corr game but thought that it was my novelty Smiley

He played 11...Kf8 and the game was also drawn later (24 moves).

I agree that 10.Ng5 is prolly the only move that equalizes. (White has a good score with other moves but Black always played quite inaccurate in these games.)
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #15 - 07/05/10 at 12:13:11
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Are grandmasters even the very elite if confronted by a Kings Gambit or an Evans Piket/Anand slightly baffled.
They are so computer booked up on 25 moves of the Marshall that the basic principles of opening play seem to have been forgotten.
If Carlsen can get a even game in an ancient opening where he understands the middle game themes better than his opponent-then i can see him playing it again.
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #14 - 07/05/10 at 09:06:21
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Its a nice game that - what amazes me was how Carlsen managed to turn the romantic swashbuckling kings gambit into a technical exercise.
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #13 - 06/28/10 at 11:13:55
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Kavalek annoteted this game in his column at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lubomir-kavalek/magnus-carlsen-king-among_b_627225.... At move 13 he uses the Bronstein term "marriage" for the coordination between knight and pawn. If you can help me finding a source and more examples for this term, feel free to comment at the separate thread here: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1277723264
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #12 - 06/18/10 at 14:58:34
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@Mnb
Yes this is a plausible move-order. 
In fact the move-order with 9.Bxf4 iso 9.0-0 was the original move-order of the games I quoted earlier (Fedorov-Svidler and Jones-Abdulla).

But Black has a far better reply on 7.Nc3:
7.Nc3,Qf5! = or even =/+
This was in fact the main line I provided in the KG-survey on the Modern with 5.Bc4.
(Fedorov-Ivanov, Dehli, 2000) is a convincing example (from Black's point of view)

@Dragonslayer
I dont believe in 7.Nc3,Qd8 8.d4,g5 
After 9.Qe2+ either 9...Be7 or 9... Qe7 runs into 10.Nxg5.
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #11 - 06/18/10 at 14:20:31
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MNb wrote on 06/18/10 at 10:05:52:
White can avoid the line given by Micawber by changing his move order: 6.Bxd5 Qxd5 7.Nc3 Qd8 8.d4 Be7 and now simply 9.Bxf4 iso 9.0-0.


Just wondering without a board if then 8...g5 avoids the line given by MNb  Wink
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #10 - 06/18/10 at 10:05:52
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White can avoid the line given by Micawber by changing his move order: 6.Bxd5 Qxd5 7.Nc3 Qd8 8.d4 Be7 and now simply 9.Bxf4 iso 9.0-0.
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #9 - 06/18/10 at 09:22:12
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bragesjo wrote on 06/17/10 at 13:04:41:
Has Kings Gambit turned playable agian?


It was never unplayable. It's simply that it's very easy for Black to prepare for, so it doesn't make much sense from a professional perspective, except as a surprise. Wang Yue was duly surprised.
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #8 - 06/18/10 at 07:25:20
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I wonder what he would have done had Wang Yue actually went into the critical lines of 3. Bc4 Nc6 or 3. Nf3 g5.
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #7 - 06/18/10 at 03:44:57
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Topnotch, I fully agree with you that the reappearance of the KG at top-level is a reason to rejoice.


Imho Black should have played 9...g5! iso 9...0-0
leading to the following position


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10.Nxg5N!!   
An interesting sac, one exclamation mark for the quality of the sac and one for pure daring.
If white tries to play 'ordinary' moves, he will quickly sink into a cheerless position.
10........,   Bxg5
11.Qe2+
11........., Be7      
11...Qe7 seems critical: 12.Qh5,c6 and Black should retain the somewhat better chances.
12.d5, 0-0
13.Bxf4
13........,Re8
14.Qh5, Bf6
This was a critical moment. Imo 14....Bc5+ 15.Kh1,f5 16.Bg5 should have been played, although White has ample compensation.

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15.Bg5!,Bd4+?!
Nor would have 15....Re5 16.Ne4 +/- have helped much or 15...Bxg5?! 16.Rxf7!+/-
16.Kh1, Qd7
16...f6 17.Bxf6,Bxf6 18.Rxf6,Qf6 19.Qe8+,Qf8
20.Qe2  And Black's position remains hard to defend.
17.Bh6
17......, a5
If you have to resort to moves like this, there is something seriously wrong with your position.
18.Nb5, Ra6
18...Re5 19.Qh4, Rxd5 does not work: 20.Nxd4 and Black cant take on d4 because of Qg5+.
19.Nxd4
And white had regained his material. With a plus pawn and a superior position he was clearly winning.

Topnotch: since you are a subscriber to the e4-e5 section. My KG-surveys from march 2009 provide a reasonable up to date picture of the KG theory on the Modern.


     
Re: Books on King's Gambit
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Reply #50 - 03/09/09 at 17:42:30 Quote 
GMTonyKosten wrote on 02/14/09 at 15:32:45:
Has anyone had a chance to go through Micawber's King's Gambit Forum digest yet?

I've just uploaded an updated version in playable eBook form.

« Last Edit: 06/18/10 at 04:57:20 by micawber »  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #6 - 06/17/10 at 23:22:55
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bragesjo wrote on 06/17/10 at 19:14:59:
Today it was a good day in many aspects, Carlsen won in the Kings Gambit and Radjabov defeated Gelfands Petroff (I realy like those rare accasions when Petroffs at elite level is not the usual draw) .


I enjoy those rare occasions too. Its nice to see the occasional King's Gambit being punted at elite level, and perhaps now Mikhailevski has an excuse to include the opening in one of his updates.  

Of course there is always cause to rejoice when Black falls in a Petroff, and hopefully someone will refute this Opening pariah sometime in the near future.  Wink

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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #5 - 06/17/10 at 19:14:59
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Today it was a good day in many aspects, Carlsen won in the Kings Gambit and Radjabov defeated Gelfands Petroff (I realy like those rare accasions when Petroffs at elite level is not the usual draw) .
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #4 - 06/17/10 at 18:53:04
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Isnt it impressive, black got a bad position without making a real blunder.

1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Bc4 Nxd5 6. O-O Be7 7. Bxd5 Qxd5 8. Nc3 Qd8
9. d4 O-O 10. Bxf4 Bf5 {last book move} 11. Qe2 (11. Qd2 Re8 $14) 11... Bd6 (
11... Nc6 12. Rf2 $14) 12. Bxd6 (12. Ne5 Bxe5 13. Bxe5 Bg6 $14) 12... Qxd6 13.
Nb5 {White threatens to win material: Nb5xd6} (13. Rad1 Bg6 $14) 13... Qd8 14.
c4 (14. Qd2 a6 15. Na3 Nc6 $11) 14... a6 {Black threatens to win material:
a6xb5} (14... c6 15. Nc3 $14) 15. Nc3 Nd7 (15... Re8 16. Qd2 $14) 16. Rad1 (16.
Rae1 Re8 17. Qf2 Rxe1 18. Rxe1 c6 $14) 16... Bg6 (16... Re8 17. Qf2 $14) 17.
Qf2 (17. Qd2 h6 $14) 17... Re8 (17... b5 18. b3 $14) 18. h3 (18. Rde1 Rxe1 19.
Rxe1 c6 $14) 18... Rc8 (18... Qf6 19. Nd5 Qd6 20. Nh4 $14) 19. Rfe1 Rxe1+ 20.
Rxe1 c6 {Secures b5+d5} (20... Nf6 21. Ne5 $14) 21. d5 (21. Ne4 Bxe4 22. Rxe4
b5 $11) 21... Nf6 {Black has a cramped position} (21... cxd5 22. cxd5 Nf6 23.
a3 $11) 22. Qd4 (22. dxc6 Rxc6 23. Ne5 Rd6 $11) 22... cxd5 $11 23. Nxd5 (23.
cxd5 Qd6 $11) 23... Nxd5 24. cxd5 {White has a new passed pawn: d5.} Qd6 25.
Ne5 (25. Nh4 $11) 25... Re8 (25... f6 26. Nxg6 hxg6 27. Re6 Rc1+ 28. Kf2 $11)
26. Re3 (26. Re2 f6 27. Nc4 Qg3 $14) 26... Rd8 27. Nc4 {White threatens to win
material: Nc4xd6} Qf6 {Black threatens to win material: Qf6xd4} (27... Qf8 28.
a4 $14) 28. Re5 {White intends d6} (28. Qxf6 gxf6 29. Re7 Rxd5 30. Rxb7 Bd3 $14
) 28... h6 (28... Bf5 29. a4 $14) 29. d6 {Black has to watch this pawn} Bf5 30.
Nb6 {White plans d7} Be6 (30... Bd3 31. d7 Bb5 32. Nd5 Qf1+ 33. Kh2 $14) 31. d7
Kh8 (31... Kh7 32. b3 $14) 32. a4 (32. a3 Kh7 $14) 32... g6 (32... a5 33. b3
$16) 33. Qc3 $16 Kg7 (33... Kg8 34. a5 $16) 34. a5 h5 (34... g5 35. Rc5 Qxc3
36. bxc3 $16) 35. h4 (35. Rc5 Qxc3 36. Rxc3 Kf6 $16) 35... Rxd7 (35... Kg8 36.
Re3 Qxc3 37. Rxc3 $16 (37. bxc3 $6 Kf8 $11)) 36. Nxd7 $16 Bxd7 37. Qd4 (37. Re7
Bc6 $16) 37... Bc6 (37... Bg4 38. Rd5 $16) 38. b4 (38. Kh2 Bb5 $16) 38... Bb5
39. Kh2 Ba4 40. Rd5 Bc6 41. Qxf6+ Kxf6 42. Rc5 Ke6 43. Kg3 f6 (43... Bd5 44.
Kf2 $16) 44. Kf2 (44. Kf4 Kd6 $16) 44... Bd5 45. g3 g5 $2 (45... Bc6 $142 $16)
46. g4 $18 hxg4 47. h5 Be4 $4 {leading to a quick end} (47... Bc6 48. Kg3 f5
$18) 48. Rc7 f5 (48... Kd6 {doesn't change the outcome of the game} 49. Rg7 f5
50. Rxg5 $18) 49. h6 f4 50. h7 g3+ 51. Ke1 f3 (51... Bxh7 {is still a small
chance} 52. Rxh7 Kd5 $18) 52. h8=Q f2+ (52... Bc6 {there is nothing better in
the position} 53. Qh3+ Kd5 54. Qxg3 Kc4 $18) 53. Ke2 Bd3+ 54. Ke3 

  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #3 - 06/17/10 at 16:34:49
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micawber wrote on 06/17/10 at 16:31:12:
Both players managed to produce several inaccurate moves between move 6 and 10!.


Perhaps that's exactly what Carlsen was expecting, in order to unbalance the game?
  
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Re: Carlsen plays the Kings Gambit
Reply #2 - 06/17/10 at 16:31:12
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Well the game certainly is not a model game, where the opening phase is concerned. Both players managed to produce several inaccurate moves between move 6 and 10!.
Interestingly the game seemed to follow the path of Fedorov-Svidler, Smolensk, 2000. But at move 11 Carlsen was apparently allready outside his "opening book" and deviated after thinking for a while from the above mentioned game with 11.Qe2 iso 11.Qd2.
The game finally left know theory when Wang produced 11...Bd6 iso of the probably slightly better 11...Nc6 (Jones-Abdulla, Mallorca,2004)
  
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