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Re: GM Repertoire KID!
Reply #82 - 07/27/13 at 09:11:41
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Well probably only a few of the micro bits at the end of lines Smiley The very basic lines/ideas haven't gone anywhere for decades and aren't about to do start doing so now.

Although these very long QC books do seem to feature an awful lot of deep lines. On a personal level I'd much prefer if it was a complete survey of the Finachetto KID. It'd need stronger editing of course, but I'm sure you could do an effective one in this sort of size of book.
  
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Re: GM Repertoire KID!
Reply #81 - 07/27/13 at 06:35:28
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tony37 wrote on 07/25/13 at 13:38:16:
well, the first volume by Kotronias is out now, it looks to me like the most detailed opening book ever, 720 pages on just a black repertoire against the fianchetto
is it overkill or a masterpiece?
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/201/kotronias_on_the_king

720 pages - study 2 pages a day - takes 1 year - book is outdated then Grin
  
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Reply #80 - 07/25/13 at 15:21:58
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Lines with c4 start on page 160. The main line after 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 g3 Bg7 4 Bg2 0-0 5 Nf3 d6 6 0-0 Nbd7 7 Nc3 e5 8 e4 c6 takes up roughly 300 pages. So it would have been easy to split this book into two volumes. Thanks to Quality Chess that they did not.

I only had a cursory glance at some of the chapters and my first impression is that it is very good. I hope that Kotronias finds the time and energy to continue his writings about the KID in the same style.

  
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Reply #79 - 07/25/13 at 15:00:43
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Apologies, yes I think I was confused by all those chapter titles which presume 1 d4 but not quite anything else Smiley
(And maybe the length!)

It does still take until page ~260 to hit the main line 'proper'.
  
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Reply #78 - 07/25/13 at 14:26:54
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eh?  I don't see that it covers any g3-based flank openings (without d4).
  
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Reply #77 - 07/25/13 at 14:12:57
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Its allowed to be both you know!

Mild mitigation due to it covering all of the g3 based flank openings too, but if you look at it in terms of utility purely as a repitoire book then it is quite clearly insanely oversized. Which he actually happily admits in the introduction Smiley (from the online extract)
"The supporting analysis presented in this book should not and indeed cannot be memorized in its entirety by anyone in the world."

As he then goes on to say, its meant to be interesting/instructive. I would imagine that if you're going to take the time to work through it all then it will be. Otherwise not. You do, of course, very rarely get anything terribly useful without working for it.

In general I'm a bit so/so about the QC drive towards very thick books. Some of it is down to their rather excellent lay out but they could likely trim them down quite a bit without harm. I'm sure they know what works for them.
  
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Reply #76 - 07/25/13 at 13:38:16
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well, the first volume by Kotronias is out now, it looks to me like the most detailed opening book ever, 720 pages on just a black repertoire against the fianchetto
is it overkill or a masterpiece?
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/201/kotronias_on_the_king
  
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Reply #75 - 01/09/13 at 19:16:56
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That´s what Jacob Aagaard wrote on the QC-Blog on December 26th 2012:

"We expect to have one volume of KID from Kotronias out in the late spring. He has changed his mind on structure and so on a few times, which is of course natural in a creative process. But clearly we spoke about the project too soon."
  
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Reply #74 - 01/09/13 at 14:31:40
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It's been almost exactly a year now. What's the story on these three volumes?
  
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Reply #73 - 01/25/12 at 11:45:33
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fling wrote on 01/25/12 at 10:49:13:
Is the gambit ok for Black after all? I thought I have seen some recent games commented here at Chesspub which seem to indicate that White can actually snatch the pawn and hold on if he/she knows the theory well.


Those games were Vitiugov-Khismatullin and Atalik-Berg. I stopped looking at the Sämisch for White because the gambit looked like a good antidote for Black, but these games are indeed pretty tough for Black. As pointed out, Wang Yue-Radjabov is a game in which Black looks fine (with 10...b6 instead of 10 ...Nd7).

My question is, why has Black been trying the "old" main line with 10 ...Nd7 lately? Is there an improvement on Wang Yue-Radjabov for White? Or just that it is hard(er) to press for a win in that line?
  
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Reply #72 - 01/25/12 at 10:49:13
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Is the gambit ok for Black after all? I thought I have seen some recent games commented here at Chesspub which seem to indicate that White can actually snatch the pawn and hold on if he/she knows the theory well.
  
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Reply #71 - 01/25/12 at 10:29:20
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You guys are obviously right about Kasparov, but it doesn't matter that much. The ...c5 gambit became popular in the 80's and it was then that I read about the desirability of Nh3, that it only can be played after ...Nbd7 and how that affects move order issues. I assume it was in the comments of a KID game as it was not a Modern Benoni and other Benoni's were considered inferior.
Hjartarson-Kasparov Amsterdam 1991 is one typical example: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Bg5 a6 7.Qd2 Nbd7 8.Nge2 and only now Kasparov played c5 9.d5 b5.
Ward certainly was not the first to discuss this.
  

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Reply #70 - 01/25/12 at 03:30:29
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Stigma wrote on 01/25/12 at 02:29:01:
Kasparov didn't play the ...c5 against the Sämisch much, except against 6.Bg5 and a few times from the Benoni move order. In particular I haven't found any games of his with the gambit 6.Be3 c5.


Yeah, I thought I remembered reading from Golubev's KID book that Kasparov never played the ...c5 gambit in his life. I think whoever made the claim was advocating the Panno.
  
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Re: GM Repertoire KID!
Reply #69 - 01/25/12 at 02:38:36
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Ametanoitos wrote on 01/24/12 at 16:11:34:
Returning to the subject of the GM Rep book i want to say that i just noticed that Jacob has said in the QC blog that this project will be materialized in 2013.

Well, if it is in 2013 then it is too early for my excitement! However, this forum at least emphasizes that there will be audience (read buyers) for it when it comes and there is already a demand if Jacob wants to make it in 2012. Hope this message reaches out to him.
  
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Re: GM Repertoire KID!
Reply #68 - 01/25/12 at 02:29:01
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Kasparov didn't play the ...c5 against the Sämisch much, except against 6.Bg5 and a few times from the Benoni move order. In particular I haven't found any games of his with the gambit 6.Be3 c5.
  

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