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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #9 - 06/29/11 at 09:19:53
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Glenn Snow wrote on 06/11/11 at 23:34:52:
There is also 4.c4!?, after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 c5 although I doubt it gives an advantage either.  Looks to transpose it other openings.


Supporting your opinion, I can say that transposing in another setup (with 2...g6) might occur, too..
A corr game I still play as a second player began with these moves:
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4 g6 3. c4 Bg7 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nc3 c5 7. O-O cxd4 8. exd4 Nc6.. where white has to fight for =
  
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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #8 - 06/13/11 at 02:32:58
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 06/12/11 at 22:06:53:
Most people seem to lump the Colle and the Zukertort together. The Colle, with d4 e3 and c3, is a poor opening in that it blocks in white's dark squared bishop and doesn't attack the center actively enough.

The Zukertort is much more playable, with white playing b3 (or even occasionally b4) and opening up the long diagonal for the queen's bishop.

I agree with Markovich's sentiment about the Colle, but the Zukertort can be played to good effect by masters, as Yusupov and others have shown.


The Colle with c3 is a poor opening for attempting to gain an advantage for White but on the other hand the formation is extremely popular for Black so hardly bad.  Not necessarily a bad opening to play under some circumstances.
  
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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #7 - 06/12/11 at 22:06:53
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Most people seem to lump the Colle and the Zukertort together. The Colle, with d4 e3 and c3, is a poor opening in that it blocks in white's dark squared bishop and doesn't attack the center actively enough.

The Zukertort is much more playable, with white playing b3 (or even occasionally b4) and opening up the long diagonal for the queen's bishop.

I agree with Markovich's sentiment about the Colle, but the Zukertort can be played to good effect by masters, as Yusupov and others have shown.
  
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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #6 - 06/12/11 at 10:02:55
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"Up to 2100 and still playing the Colle?"

have moved on from the colle myself but it doesn't seem to hold some players back including it in the repertoire...

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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #5 - 06/12/11 at 00:48:40
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Markovich wrote on 06/11/11 at 21:39:33:
Up to 2100 and still playing the Colle?


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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #4 - 06/11/11 at 23:34:52
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There is also 4.c4!?, after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 c5 although I doubt it gives an advantage either.  Looks to transpose it other openings.
  
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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #3 - 06/11/11 at 21:39:33
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Up to 2100 and still playing the Colle?

But on topic, I think that 3...c5 is a strong and critical rejoinder to 2.Nf3, 3.e3.  That b4 line is a dream come true for Black.  I'm not saying that it's not a game of chess, but man, White is handing Black major winning chances on a silver platter.

FWIW, Bronzik's line is actually an attempted transposition into a Tarrasch Defense, Normal Variation, which White has the option of playing as a reversed QGA.  But here Black benefits from is QN not yet being committed to c6.

But if Black wants to draw, then 6...dxc5 is an excellent rejoinder to 6.a3, since White is playing an inferior version of the 7.dxc5 QGA.
  

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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #2 - 06/11/11 at 17:09:20
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motörhead wrote on 06/27/10 at 18:55:30:
Anonymous3 wrote on 06/27/10 at 06:08:37:
After 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 e3, what does Richard Palliser recommend against 3...c5 in Starting Out: The Colle. Does he think White can gain an advantage against 3...c5?


He gives 4.dxc5!? as his main line and then 4...e6 5.b4!? a5 6.c3 axb4 7.cxb4 b6 8.Bb5+ Bd7 9.Bxd7+ Nbxd7 10.a4! bxc5 11.b5 "exciting position... rather unclear." A Noteboom or Abrahams reversed.
He calls 3...c5 "challenging". "... White has often replied too timidly. Solid players may be happy with 4.c3 and 5.Nbd2, but the fascinating 4.dxc5!? looks like the best way to pose Black problems."

Btw. Valeri Bronznik (The Colle-Koltanowski-System) too gives 4.dxc5!? as main line. He continues it with 4...e6 5.c4 Bxc5 6.a3!? but calls 5.b4 a5 6.c3 (Summerscale) interesting.


And again, shoddy coverage on the Colle on Chess Publishing. No one has ever addressed 4. dxc5. If Eric could stop wallowing around in his London coverage that he's beat to death or Christoph could look at these early Colle lines I'm sure a lot of Colle players would appreciate it.

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Re: Starting Out: The Colle Question
Reply #1 - 06/27/10 at 18:55:30
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Anonymous3 wrote on 06/27/10 at 06:08:37:
After 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 e3, what does Richard Palliser recommend against 3...c5 in Starting Out: The Colle. Does he think White can gain an advantage against 3...c5?


He gives 4.dxc5!? as his main line and then 4...e6 5.b4!? a5 6.c3 axb4 7.cxb4 b6 8.Bb5+ Bd7 9.Bxd7+ Nbxd7 10.a4! bxc5 11.b5 "exciting position... rather unclear." A Noteboom or Abrahams reversed.
He calls 3...c5 "challenging". "... White has often replied too timidly. Solid players may be happy with 4.c3 and 5.Nbd2, but the fascinating 4.dxc5!? looks like the best way to pose Black problems."

Btw. Valeri Bronznik (The Colle-Koltanowski-System) too gives 4.dxc5!? as main line. He continues it with 4...e6 5.c4 Bxc5 6.a3!? but calls 5.b4 a5 6.c3 (Summerscale) interesting.
  

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Starting Out: The Colle Question
06/27/10 at 06:08:37
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After 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 e3, what does Richard Palliser recommend against 3...c5 in Starting Out: The Colle. Does he think White can gain an advantage against 3...c5?
  
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