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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #141 - 09/11/11 at 21:28:24
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I think that this work is outstanding for its comprehensiveness, lucidity and honesty, and I think that it'll be very useful for many players.  It's quite admirable that Vigorito has taken the trouble to point out what's wrong with some of Black's likely alternatives to his recommendations, which ensures that these volumes will be useful for White's partisans as well as Black's.

I do, however,have a very specific observation about the coverage of the Makagonov with 7...Nh5 (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.h3 e5 7.d5 Nh5).  After
8.Nh2 Qe8 9.Be2 Nf4 10.Bf3 f5 11.g3 Nxh3 12.Bg2 fxe4 13.Be3, Vigorito says "as Markos points out, Black is okay after 13...Na6! 14.Nxe4 Bf5 15.f3 h5!."  This appears to be an untested recommendation; I have three games in my data base that reached 15.f3, none with 15...h5.  And given that it is untested, this would be a place that I would look hard to find something for White.  Obviously, White can redeploy his h2 knight to d2 with tempo (16.Nf1 Qd7 17.Nfd2), after which I wonder if Black is really all that O.K. with that funny-looking knight of his sitting there on h3. 

It's interesting that Vigorito devotes a half page or so to 13.Nxe4, but only this little note to 13.Be3.  Maybe this is one place where he wants to keep his secrets.  Or is Black's O.K.-ness after 15...h5 really that obvious?

P.S. after 13.Be3 Na6 14.Nxe4, Black has a possible improvement in 14...Nf4!? as played in Macieja - Maze, Aix-les-Bain, 2011.  Too late to make the edition, or judged not relevant?

P.P.S. It's worth noting that besides 7...Nh5, Vigorito covers both7...a5 or 7...Na6  in detail.
  

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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #140 - 09/11/11 at 19:27:38
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I read both volumes without any introductory material, so I suppose around 2000+ FIDE should be able to play the KID with those two volumes. I think that applies to most opening books; around 2000+ ELO should be able to start analysing heavy theory without introduction and be able to play the opening well.
  

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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #139 - 09/11/11 at 11:59:25
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Paddy wrote on 09/11/11 at 10:53:31:
LostTactic wrote on 07/02/11 at 13:38:41:
Can anyone tell me if just these 2 volumes would be enough to learn and play the KID well? Or is there any supplementary readings anyone would suggest? Thanks.


These are very good books indeed, but IMHO if you intend to play the KID over the board (rather than in correspondence chess) the best way to get a handle on the KID is to read and play through ALL of  GM Joe Gallagher's "Starting out: the King's Indian" and combine this with lots of focused practice.

A player needs to acquire a feel for an opening before getting too much into the detail.


Absolutely agree. Came here to write the same, but Paddy got there first. Fabulous book.

Next would be Gufeld's collection (most of his stuff is of course rubbish, but the KID book is useful for ideas and motivation), then Golubev's Understanding the King's Indian.
Then for hardcore theory, Vigorito 1 and 2.

One line you really need to know is the Fianchetto. Everyone is Avrukhing (on ICC anyhow), so needs must.

  
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Reply #138 - 09/11/11 at 10:53:31
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LostTactic wrote on 07/02/11 at 13:38:41:
Can anyone tell me if just these 2 volumes would be enough to learn and play the KID well? Or is there any supplementary readings anyone would suggest? Thanks.


These are very good books indeed, but IMHO if you intend to play the KID over the board (rather than in correspondence chess) the best way to get a handle on the KID is to read and play through ALL of  GM Joe Gallagher's "Starting out: the King's Indian" and combine this with lots of focused practice.

A player needs to acquire a feel for an opening before getting too much into the detail.
  
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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #137 - 09/10/11 at 15:25:41
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thibdb13 wrote on 09/10/11 at 12:16:15:
Bibs wrote on 09/09/11 at 12:34:23:
thibdb13 wrote on 09/09/11 at 11:53:14:
Just one question about these 2 books: would you recommend them to someone wanting to start playing the KID?


Depends what standard you are.

What do you mean by "standard"?


Presumably playing strength/rating.
  

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Reply #136 - 09/10/11 at 12:16:15
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Bibs wrote on 09/09/11 at 12:34:23:
thibdb13 wrote on 09/09/11 at 11:53:14:
Just one question about these 2 books: would you recommend them to someone wanting to start playing the KID?


Depends what standard you are.

What do you mean by "standard"?
  

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Reply #135 - 09/09/11 at 12:34:23
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thibdb13 wrote on 09/09/11 at 11:53:14:
Just one question about these 2 books: would you recommend them to someone wanting to start playing the KID?


Depends what standard you are.
  
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Just one question about these 2 books: would you recommend them to someone wanting to start playing the KID?
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #133 - 08/07/11 at 02:39:14
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dfan wrote on 08/07/11 at 02:18:23:
Glenn Snow wrote on 08/07/11 at 01:49:25:
I have the first volume but could someone post the Table of contents for the second.  I'm just curious as to the rest of the repertoire.

The preview on the Everyman site at http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/Attacking_Chess%3A_The_King%27s_Indian%... includes the table of contents.


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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #132 - 08/07/11 at 02:18:23
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Glenn Snow wrote on 08/07/11 at 01:49:25:
I have the first volume but could someone post the Table of contents for the second.  I'm just curious as to the rest of the repertoire.

The preview on the Everyman site at http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/Attacking_Chess%3A_The_King%27s_Indian%... includes the table of contents.
  
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I have the first volume but could someone post the Table of contents for the second.  I'm just curious as to the rest of the repertoire.
  
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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #130 - 07/09/11 at 02:13:10
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fluffy wrote on 07/08/11 at 19:05:38:
Daniel wrote on 07/08/11 at 18:11:43:
I just received the book.  It's excellent so far.  The only particular omission appears to be 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Bg5 which has been played a few times by Sokolov.


page 358-362. it's the very last line in the book.


Oh thanks.  Didn't notice it.
  
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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #129 - 07/08/11 at 19:05:38
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Daniel wrote on 07/08/11 at 18:11:43:
I just received the book.  It's excellent so far.  The only particular omission appears to be 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Bg5 which has been played a few times by Sokolov.


page 358-362. it's the very last line in the book.
  
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Reply #128 - 07/08/11 at 18:11:43
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I just received the book.  It's excellent so far.  The only particular omission appears to be 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Bg5 which has been played a few times by Sokolov.
  
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Re: New Vigorito's book
Reply #127 - 07/03/11 at 03:24:36
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Markovich wrote on 07/03/11 at 02:27:52:
Where in the U. S. of A. can I get this? Not out yet on Amazon, nor on chess4less.


You could have ordered it from the UK when it was just released, no? Anyway, Chess4Less indeed does have it.

http://www.chess4less.com/cheap/1/003482.html
  

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