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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #12 - 09/16/10 at 22:42:51
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realpolitik wrote on 09/16/10 at 21:03:12:
strange that vigorito doesnt even mention this line though. i thought his book was supposed to be a repertoire one. btw i meant 'and profit from not having played Nf3' in my post above obviously


His book is a repertoire book, but it's impossible to cover everything. His coverage of sidelines after 3.Nf3 Nf6 and 4.Nc3 e6 was excellent, and moves such as 3.e3 and 4.Bg5 are completely harmless and can be checked with a database.

You might like Vigus's book as well since he covers such sidelines in more depth than Vigorito.
  

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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #11 - 09/16/10 at 21:03:12
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strange that vigorito doesnt even mention this line though. i thought his book was supposed to be a repertoire one. btw i meant 'and profit from not having played Nf3' in my post above obviously
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #10 - 09/15/10 at 21:14:47
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I presume 4. Bg5 would be more popular if Black were supposed to play 4...e6.  Perhaps the main reply is 4...dc, which is given in ECO and NCO as leading to equality with best play (5. a4 Qa5 6. Nf3 Ne4 is one possibility).
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #9 - 09/15/10 at 20:54:46
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ok but if I dont want to play the argentinian variation what about 1d4 d5 2c4 c6 3Nc3 Nf6 4Bg5 is black supposed to play e6? Is there any way white can play e4 and profit from not having played nc3, vigorito doesnt really mention this possibility either
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #8 - 09/12/10 at 08:02:37
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And if Black is after an independent approach to 3.Nc3, he should consider the Argentinian Variation, 3...dc4. Deep Fritz-Kramnik, Bonn 2006 is one of the critical games in this line.
  

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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #7 - 09/08/10 at 23:11:47
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ok thanks for the answers, as you can tell I am a complete novice when it comes to the slav!
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #6 - 09/08/10 at 19:33:53
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after 4.e3 e6 5.Nf3 (white hardly has anything better) 5...Nbd7 it is just the main lines with 5.e3
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #5 - 09/08/10 at 19:33:12
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1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6, simply this thematical move!

I don't think a Semi-Slav player (who knows his stuff after 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5.e3) has any problems with this move order. White can perhaps delay Ng1-f3 for one or two more moves but that doesn't change much since the Ng1 has no better way to develop to this square.

The only group of Slav players that could feel challenged by this move order are those who intend to play the 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 "Accepted Slav". (Those who play the "Chebanenko Slav" can of course play 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 a6 etc.)
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #4 - 09/08/10 at 18:20:27
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I have another semi Slav question I would be grateful if someone can shed some light on. Basically I have got Vigoritos book and am slowly working my way through it. Even though its a few years old now I am quite happy with the book but I have one question that I can't seem to find an answer to. If 1d4 d5 2c4 c6 3Nc3 Vigorito in the chapter on move orders seems to be advocating 3...Nf6 but what happens after 4e3? 4...Bf5 can be met by 5cd cd 6Qb3 which is a bit annoying. Vigoritos book is supposed to be a repertoire book but I can't find any mention of this move order and how to meet it. Is it there somewhere and I am just missing it or does he not address this?
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #3 - 08/28/10 at 11:28:29
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Anonymous3 wrote on 08/27/10 at 21:16:59:
After 10...Be5 11 Be3 Nxe4 12 Nxe4, you can't play 12...Ng4!   


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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #2 - 08/27/10 at 21:16:59
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After 10...Be5 11 Be3 Nxe4 12 Nxe4, you can't play 12...Ng4!

I've looked at 10...Be5 11 Be3 dxc4 12 Bxc4 Qc7 and it seems to be ok for Black, thanks!

Vigorito gives 10...dxe4 11 Nxe4 Nxe4 12 Qxe4 (which transposes to the last line you mention) as an alternative that is fine for Black and I think Black is at least =.
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Question
Reply #1 - 08/27/10 at 20:23:18
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10.-Be5 11.Be3 Ne4 12.Ne4 Ng4 is unclear
and 11.Be3 dc4 12.Bc4 Qc7!? (13.Ncb5 Qb8! with idea a6,b5...) is maybe vigorito's idea

Another way is 10.-Ne4 11.Ne4 de4 12.Qe4 Nc5 13.Qf3 Bd7 14.Be2 Be5 with initiative but it's not a forced line!
  

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Semi-Slav Question
08/27/10 at 08:08:09
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After 1 d4 d5 2 c4 c6 3 Nf3 Nf6 4 Nc3 e6 5 e3 Nbd7 6 Qc2 Bd6 7 Bd2 0-0 8 0-0-0 c5 9 e4 cxd4 10 Nxd4, David Vigorito in his book "Play the Semi-Slav", Larry Kaufman in his book "The Chess Advantage in Black and White", and Glenn Flear in his book "Starting Out: Slav and Semi-Slav recommend 10...Be5 but I don't see how Black can equalize against 11 Be3 which neither book mentions. The computer suggestion is 11...dxc4 and I think White is slightly better after 12 Bxc4 Ng4 13 Nxe6! Nxe3 14 Nxd8 Nxc2 15 Nxf7 Bxc3 16 Ne5+ Kh8 17 Nxd7 Bxd7 (17...Rxf2 18 bxc3 Ne3 19 Ne5 Nxd1 20 Rxd1 +=) 18 Rxd7 Bxb2+ 19 Kxb2 Rxf2 20 Bd5 Ne3+ 21 Kb3 +=. Any ideas on how Black can equalize against 11 Be3?   
« Last Edit: 08/27/10 at 21:04:40 by Anonymous3 »  
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