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Poll closed Question: Should non-2.Nf3 lines be covered in PTP?
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Yes; transpositions chapter    
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Yes; cover all key lines briefly    
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Yes; handle in different chapters    
  3 (11.5%)
Yes; cover a few lines in detail    
  2 (7.7%)
No; this is Play the Petroff    
  12 (46.2%)
No; recommend other sources    
  3 (11.5%)




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Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta (Read 114889 times)
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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #98 - 03/17/14 at 09:24:05
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There's a line in the Petroff which goes 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d3 Nf6 6. d4 d5. This transposes to an Exchange French which is always trashed by authors advocating the French, but I believe is slightly better than its reputation. By 7. c4, White gets a potential IQP position, similar in some ways to main lines of the Petroff. It still can be drawish though.

What do authors of books on the Petroff do about this line? Do they just write that it's an Exchange French and that you should read a chapter in a book on the French? Or do they contribute some original ideas? Authors on the Exchange French are apt to recommend plans with Bd6 and Ne7, which cannot reach the Petroff set up.
  
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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #97 - 03/17/14 at 07:49:51
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TopNotch wrote on 03/15/14 at 20:34:27:
Do we need another book on the Petroff, with so much recent DVD's, Books and Lectures featuring this opening. I think not.

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I concur. Just ordered the Sakaev book after giving some consideration to buying the Cohen book instead.  It already struck me as odd that Cohen published his book only two years after Sakaev, now I read about a third author.

Perhaps the publisher shared my doubts about the success of yet another petroff book.
  

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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #96 - 03/16/14 at 13:21:43
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Yeah thanks S_F,

This makes sense and is very good advice. I guess i have convinced myself somehow that a good opening monograph will provide this sort of middlegame/endgame instruction leading from the opening, and that it is difficult to find anywhere else in one place.

  

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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #95 - 03/16/14 at 07:18:16
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Roley, when you think about, just about every specialized opening book is aimed at stronger club players. The problem isn't with these books.

Novices should not be looking to improve by using opening monographs. Study game collections with notes written by strong masters. Study books designed to help general  improvement.
  
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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #94 - 03/15/14 at 21:28:21
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but how many of those products are good starting points for players with little or no experience of the Petroff?

Many of the books and DVD's i've seen reviews on appear to be aimed at the stronger club/tournament player...
  

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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #93 - 03/15/14 at 20:34:27
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Do we need another book on the Petroff, with so much recent DVD's, Books and Lectures featuring this opening. I think not.

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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #92 - 03/15/14 at 12:13:42
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RoleyPoley wrote on 03/15/14 at 12:08:04:
Was this ever released?

I cant find it on Amazon, or any reviews for it online. I cant even see it on the Everyman site as being published or to be published.





Presumed it had just been abandoned. Mail the editor at Everyman, at their website, ask them I guess. A 'Dear John letter', one might say, if it was never meant to be.
  
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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #91 - 03/15/14 at 12:08:04
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Was this ever released?

I cant find it on Amazon, or any reviews for it online. I cant even see it on the Everyman site as being published or to be published.



  

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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #90 - 02/04/12 at 20:20:29
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According to their website, not out till August/October.

http://www.everymanchess.com/downloads/Publishing%20Schedule.pdf
  
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Re: C42-C43: Play the Petroff by Har-Zvi and Gupta
Reply #89 - 02/04/12 at 19:59:05
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So this book is finally out in print but "out of stock"?  anyone know where I can pick up a copy?
  
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Reply #88 - 06/24/11 at 20:05:05
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Ah, right, stupid of me, sorry. Don't know how I got that idea into my head. Probably wine and advancing age.
  
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Re: Play the Petroff by Ronen Har-Zvi and Ankit Gupta
Reply #87 - 06/24/11 at 19:25:24
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This is an Everyman book, rather than Gambit - the info comes from there, where unfortunately it says it's been pushed back to Jan 2012 (I just checked this again as Everyman publication dates change so frequently).
  
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Reply #86 - 06/24/11 at 18:16:08
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Where does it say Feb 2012? On Gambit's own site it doesn't appear at all, as far as I can see.
  
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Re: Play the Petroff by Ronen Har-Zvi and Ankit Gupta
Reply #85 - 06/09/11 at 06:11:12
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Zatarra wrote on 06/08/11 at 12:46:41:
I really want to read this book!  However when i first started reading about this book on the forums it was going to be available around May 2011, then June, then July...  Now it shows Feb 2012!?   

I know you want to write the perfect book, but eventually it must be published right?


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Re: Play the Petroff by Ronen Har-Zvi and Ankit Gupta
Reply #84 - 06/08/11 at 23:10:50
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Zatarra wrote on 06/08/11 at 12:46:41:
I really want to read this book!  However when i first started reading about this book on the forums it was going to be available around May 2011, then June, then July...  Now it shows Feb 2012!?   

I know you want to write the perfect book, but eventually it must be published right?


I've been waiting eagerly for a looong time for Cox's QGD book, and now I'm not sure whether I'll wind up getting it.  Undecided
  
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