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Re: Ponziani
Reply #17 - 10/01/10 at 09:51:19
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It doesn't. Your own do.
  

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Reply #16 - 10/01/10 at 07:49:51
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I don't see how one of TN's comments makes me a peculiar guy.
  
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Re: Ponziani
Reply #15 - 09/25/10 at 00:19:09
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Anonymous3 wrote on 09/22/10 at 05:35:12:
I know that but that doesn't answer my question!


TN wrote on 09/22/10 at 05:41:24:
You asked whether 4.d3 leads to equal chances. It doesn't.


Anonymous3 wrote on 09/22/10 at 16:10:30:
Thanks GMTonyKosten but is that statement correct? Fritz 11, Rybka 3, TN, and myself feel that Black is slightly better.


Anon., you are a peculiar guy.
  

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Re: Ponziani
Reply #14 - 09/23/10 at 19:53:53
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Markovich wrote on 09/23/10 at 19:13:48:
I would probably play 4...Nf6, figuring that Black, who has more space, shouldn't exchange queens.  Simple chess I guess, but that's how I play.  What is it then, a reversed Hanham?


Yes.

Just as the Q exchange is pretty much a Reverse Pirc (or whatever they want to call that position).
  

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Re: Ponziani
Reply #13 - 09/23/10 at 19:13:48
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I would probably play 4...Nf6, figuring that Black, who has more space, shouldn't exchange queens.  Simple chess I guess, but that's how I play.  What is it then, a reversed Hanham?
  

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Re: Ponziani
Reply #12 - 09/23/10 at 18:15:02
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Even if this ending is better for White (which I personally doubt), Black can easily meet 4.d3 with the perfectly adequate 4...Nf6, as came up in this earlier thread:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1217972380/5
Not many Ponziani enthusiasts would want to meet 3.c3 Nf6 with 4.d3, yet here 4...d5 would transpose.

Even 4...Nge7 (by analogy with 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 4.Nge2) might be playable.
  
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Reply #11 - 09/23/10 at 17:33:10
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I agree that the position is equal and that c3 is handy, but as a matter of taste I would rather have Black and his extra tempo.  In the Ponziani proper White has his pawn center to atone for this; here he doesn't.

If the black c-pawn were on c5, I would prefer White's position.
  

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Reply #10 - 09/23/10 at 00:23:06
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Anonymous3 wrote on 09/23/10 at 00:00:32:
Jonathan tait, I agree that is an odd assessment.

Bpaulsen, that's an interesting comparision to the Pirc line. The extra tempo c3 could hurt White because he can't play Nc3.


c6 is a move black wants to get if he can in the Pirc line. It's extremely desirable - you can check the theory on it to find out for yourself.

Nc6 isn't even remotely on the radar because it is positionally wrong the vast majority of the time. The notion that white magically desires Nc3 in the similar position is wrong, when c3 is more useful as an extra tempo.

The position is equal.
  

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Reply #9 - 09/23/10 at 00:00:32
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Jonathan tait, I agree that is an odd assessment.

Bpaulsen, that's an interesting comparision to the Pirc line. The extra tempo c3 could hurt White because he can't play Nc3.
  
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Re: Ponziani
Reply #8 - 09/22/10 at 20:20:11
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I doubt either side is better. The position is equal.

A very similar position after 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 is considered equal (or very close to it) for black after 4. dxe5 5. Qxd8 Kxd8, so there is no way white is worse with the useful c3 included.

At the same time, I don't believe an edge is a reasonable claim unless black mishandles the resulting positions.
  

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Re: Ponziani
Reply #7 - 09/22/10 at 19:15:02
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/22/10 at 10:01:51:
It says: the endgame may be slightly better for White. The fact that Black's knight is on c6 stops him playing a pawn to that square and defending d5.


which is a rather odd assessment to say the least
why would Black need to defend d5 with a pawn?
  

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Reply #6 - 09/22/10 at 16:10:30
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Thanks GMTonyKosten but is that statement correct? Fritz 11, Rybka 3, TN, and myself feel that Black is slightly better.
  
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Re: Ponziani
Reply #5 - 09/22/10 at 10:01:51
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It says: the endgame may be slightly better for White. The fact that Black's knight is on c6 stops him playing a pawn to that square and defending d5.
  
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Re: Ponziani
Reply #4 - 09/22/10 at 06:04:47
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No, I asked what the e-book's assessment is.
  
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Re: Ponziani
Reply #3 - 09/22/10 at 05:41:24
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You asked whether 4.d3 leads to equal chances. It doesn't.

I'm not a subscriber, so I don't know whether the e-book still gives that assessment. But since 4.d3 is very rare, it's not really relevant.
  

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