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Re: early d5 in the english
Reply #12 - 10/10/10 at 22:24:31
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kylemeister wrote on 10/10/10 at 21:24:32:
Actually 12. d4 Rfd8 was omitted (as well as 11. Nxd5 Qxd5).

The game was copy paste from the book and it had annotations that I delete, so I see one move is deleted.
  
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Reply #11 - 10/10/10 at 21:24:32
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Actually 12. d4 Rfd8 was omitted (as well as 11. Nxd5 Qxd5).
  
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Re: early d5 in the english
Reply #10 - 10/10/10 at 21:17:59
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kylemeister wrote on 10/10/10 at 19:38:11:
That is quite different from 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5.  There appear to be irregularities in what you gave (e.g. White tactically hanging a piece).  In general terms it is naturally a "book line"; I notice that after 10. cd ECO thinks it should be = and NCO thinks it should be +=, though NCO doesn't mention what ECO thinks is best play for Black.

Can you please say where exactly where White 
hanging a piece at the variation I wrote?

I think you missed out 11.Nxd5 Qxd5. And then it should be 12.Ne5 not 13.Ne5. (11.Ne5 would lose a piece.)
  
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Reply #9 - 10/10/10 at 20:58:42
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kylemeister wrote on 10/10/10 at 19:38:11:
That is quite different from 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5.  There appear to be irregularities in what you gave (e.g. White tactically hanging a piece).  In general terms it is naturally a "book line"; I notice that after 10. cd ECO thinks it should be = and NCO thinks it should be +=, though NCO doesn't mention what ECO thinks is best play for Black.

Can you please say where exactly White 
hanging a piece at the variation I wrote?
  
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Reply #8 - 10/10/10 at 20:46:33
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Someone played e6 and d5 at 1.c4.
So i played a reti line with b3,g3,e3,d4 etc (versus c5,d5,b6 etc).
Even I missed a move  from game Panchenko-Lengyel 1981(14.N:N B:N 15.B:B Q:B 16.Rc1 and not 14.Qh5) I had an easy draw, and I thing I had at least a += at opening.
[Event "Sochi"]
[Date "1981"]
[White "Panchenko, A."]
[Black "Lengyel, L."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A14"]
1. Nf3 d5 
2. c4 e6
3. g3 Nf6 4. Bg2 Be7  5. O-O O-O 6. b3
6... c5 7.
Bb2 Nc6 8. e3 b6 9. Nc3 Bb7 10. cxd5 Nxd5 13.
Ne5 Qd6 14. Qh5 ... 1-0
My problem was that the game was a draw from early stage and I had not winning changes but also it was rather from our play and not from the opening

I thing you can find this game but continued 14...g6 15.Qf3 N:N 16.Q:b7 and then white give the Queen for 2 rooks.
I did not remember that game during my game and also as it is obvious I did not analyze that game to say if it is a good game for white...
It is at the The Dynamic Reti book (I just notice that)
  
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Reply #7 - 10/10/10 at 19:38:11
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That is quite different from 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5.  There appear to be irregularities in what you gave (e.g. White tactically hanging a piece).  In general terms it is naturally a "book line"; I notice that after 10. cd ECO thinks it should be = and NCO thinks it should be +=, though NCO doesn't mention what ECO thinks is best play for Black.
  
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Reply #6 - 10/10/10 at 19:10:50
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Someone played e6 and d5 at 1.c4.
So i played a reti line with b3,g3,e3,d4 etc (versus c5,d5,b6 etc).
Even I missed a move  from game Panchenko-Lengyel 1981(14.N:N B:N 15.B:B Q:B 16.Rc1 and not 14.Qh5) I had an easy draw, and I thing I had at least a += at opening.
[Event "Sochi"]
[Date "1981"]
[White "Panchenko, A."]
[Black "Lengyel, L."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A14"]
1. Nf3 d5 
2. c4 e6
3. g3 Nf6 4. Bg2 Be7  5. O-O O-O 6. b3
6... c5 7.
Bb2 Nc6 8. e3 b6 9. Nc3 Bb7 10. cxd5 Nxd5 13.
Ne5 Qd6 14. Qh5 ... 1-0
My problem was that the game was a draw from early stage and I had not winning changes but also it was rather from our play and not from the opening
  
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Re: early d5 in the english
Reply #5 - 10/09/10 at 20:42:17
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Highfive wrote on 10/09/10 at 20:29:03:
Ah...does anyone know any good sources for the anglo-grunfeld??

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General resources like ECO, or white repertoire books (English, or 1. Nf3 related) cover it.

There's not a whole lot of enthusiasm for it from the black side in repertoire books. Much like the Nimzo-English it is solid, but lacks the counterplay their 1. d4 counterparts have, so tend to result in +=.
  
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Reply #4 - 10/09/10 at 20:29:03
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Ah...does anyone know any good sources for the anglo-grunfeld??

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Re: early d5 in the english
Reply #3 - 09/30/10 at 08:56:28
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I see.  I play the grunfeld, and my opponent played 1c4 so I ended up playing this and winning.  I felt good about it but afterwards when I was looking over the game, I saw that the Fritz 11 opening book had attached a ? to the move.   

Now that I know the name of the line it should be easier to look up information on it.  Thanks.
  
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Reply #2 - 09/30/10 at 08:31:11
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not a bad move, and quite popular among gruenfeld players. 1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 d5?! is less pointed, since Black  needs a Knight in c3 to play in gruenfeld fashion (in fact, it's because White played 2.Nc3 that Black can safely play 2...d5). After 1.c4 Nf6 2.g3, Black gruenfeld players can revert to 2...g6 with a likely c6-d5 gruenfeld later, or any favourite g6-setup.
  
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Re: early d5 in the english
Reply #1 - 09/30/10 at 08:01:56
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It's not really a bad move. It just leads to the Anglo-Grunfeld, which has some theory to it.

White has some promising options unavailable to 1. d4 Grunfeld users.
  
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early d5 in the english
09/30/10 at 07:17:54
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1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3  d5

Is this a bad move?  If so, why?
  
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