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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Offbeat Winawer - who needs the a3 move ? Reply #6 - 10/07/10 at 10:35:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	dom - yes 6.dxc5 might be the only dangerous line to worry about. I'll let you into a little secret of mine, instead of the normal 6...Nbc6 (which I'm sure is OK for Black) I like 6...Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 Qa5 8.Bd2 Ng6 I dont think there are hardly any games with this exact position, but its the same as another line in the ...Ba5 Winawer the only difference being the White pawn is on a2 instead of a3: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Ba5 6. Qg4 Ne7 7. dxc5 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Qa5 9. Bd2 Ng6 High-level games from this position have so far provided extremely good results for Black, check out especially games of Lputian or Vaganian. Let me know what you think, I can't really see how the position of the pawn on a3 or a2 changes much...


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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	Re: Offbeat Winawer - who needs the a3 move ? Reply #5 - 10/06/10 at 17:22:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	@knightmare, keano: ... ok 5...c5! is one alternative to 5...oo with maybe some homework about the Murey/Spassky line with 6.dxc5!?

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Offbeat Winawer - who needs the a3 move ? Reply #4 - 10/06/10 at 14:29:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	Agree with knightmare - 5...c5 is stronger there.


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knightmare Junior Member Offline Posts: 85 Location: Germany Joined: 12/01/06	Re: Offbeat Winawer - who needs the a3 move ? Reply #3 - 10/06/10 at 08:08:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	dom wrote on 10/02/10 at 14:13:48: Last sunday I played this variation as Black in small tournament near Albi (southwest of France): 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 Ne7 5.Qg4 oo Why don't you simply play 5...c5? White can not enter the main lines after this move order anymore, because after 6.a3 black can play 6...Qa5 with the possible move order 7.Bd2 cxd4 8.Qxd4 Nc6 9.Qf4 (9.Bb5 does not change anything after ...Bd7) 9...d4 the pawn on e5 will fall. I think there should be at least one old game of Uhlmann with this line in the databases.

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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	Re: Offbeat Winawer - who needs the a3 move ? Reply #2 - 10/04/10 at 10:44:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks kylemeister, I will look at this game

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4980 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Offbeat Winawer - who needs the a3 move ? Reply #1 - 10/02/10 at 19:32:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, my first thought was, after 6. Bd3, is there anything wrong with the natural 6...c5? I see that ECO in fact gave that as leading to an unclear position (in G. Kuzmin - B. Kogan, USSR 1978).


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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	C16-C17: Offbeat Winawer - who needs the a3 move ? 10/02/10 at 14:13:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Last sunday I played this variation as Black in small tournament near Albi (southwest of France): 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 Ne7 5.Qg4 oo and now my opponent played the weird move 6.Bd3 !? my opponent is young player and have little experience in Winawer line ....it can explain what I quoted in mind quickly ("provocative,...,is he White player who doesn't need the a3 move and the result, doubled pawns for the price of bishop pairs ?") as I know Hebden-Prie,Londres 1986 (ECO Modern Chess Openings) game which runs 6.Bg5 Qd7, and had worked for a possible improvment with 6...Nd7 then I tried over the board 6...Nd7!? and a quick draw occured: 7.Nf3 f5 8.exf6 Nxf6 9.Qh4 Nf5 10.Bxf5 exf5 oo and so on there are interesting transpostions mainly this one: 6.Bd3 Nd7 7.Nf3 f5 8.Qh3 Nb6 9.a3 Bxc3+ 10.bxc3 c5 position given in one Watson's book A) 11.Rg1! c4 (11...Qc7 Polgar-Sahovic,Budapest 1990 ; 11...Nc4 Minasian-Oll,Lvov 1990) B) 11.dxc5?! L Steiner vs Book, 1935 NiC YB 60 C) 11.a4 Nc4 (Watson) D) 11.Bd2 c4 12.Be2 Do you know other games with such strategy in the Winawer (delaying the a3 move) ?
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