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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #24 - 05/20/14 at 01:38:03
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The line with 8 h3  has become popular as an anti-Marshall. One reason is that the attempt to play a Marshall regardless with 8. .. d5 runs into tactical and positional problems deeper into the variation.

Black's popular reply is 8. .. Bb7, after which White can still provoke the pawn sacrifice by 9. c3. Playing the Bishop to b7  improves matters for Black since on 9. .. d5 10. exd5 Nxd5, the replies 11. d3 or 11. d4 seem to be necessary. On 11. Nxe5 Nxe5 12. Rxe5, the reply 12. .. Nf4 sets a few problems. That's more accurate than an immediate 12. .. Bf6 as White could flick in 13. Bxd5.

In a regular Marshall, playing Nf4 instead of defending the square with . .. c6 lacks point as there's no threat and White can hit the f4 Knight with d4.
  
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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #23 - 03/17/14 at 20:31:19
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MartinC wrote on 03/17/14 at 09:29:58:
I wouldn't call move 24 terribly early Smiley


It's pretty early in the Marshall.
  
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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #22 - 03/17/14 at 09:29:58
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I wouldn't call move 24 terribly early Smiley
  
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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #21 - 03/15/14 at 16:17:55
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I don't agree that Black can avoid an early draw in the Marshall. For example, in the line
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3
Qh3 15. Be3 Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Qh5 18. a4 Re6 19. axb5 axb5 20. Ne4 Bf5 21. Bd2 Rxe4 22. Rxe4 Nf6 23. f3 Qg6 24. Bc2 Bxg3 =
Black has no way to avoid a draw if he's following Gustafsson's repertoire.
  
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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #20 - 02/14/14 at 10:37:04
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I found this DVD quite instructive ....The lines are deeply analysed... The only problem is that they have given lines too lengthy which might be not the stuff for amateurs players...Recommended for advance serious players
  
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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #19 - 02/25/11 at 00:44:31
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After reading this I will probably buy my first chess-DVD indeed:

http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/2011/2/23/gustafsson-on-the-marshall-gambit-bes...

I especially like the remarks about the author's honesty. That should surprise nobody who has read my comments on Slay the Spanish.
  

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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #18 - 12/10/10 at 01:47:14
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Certainly. Thanks. My interest has been raised. All those Anti-Marshalls never have worried me that much either, because Black always has a fairly wide choice.
The idea that the Marshall proper demands detailed preparation seems to be just another prejudice then (compare my comments on the off beat Open Sicilian).
  

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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #17 - 12/10/10 at 01:30:49
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Of course, I'm not a specialist in the Marshall. However, I think the answer depends on your style. If you're an aggressive tactical player and you absorb the ideas on the DVD, there should be no problem.

So yes, my personal opinion is that its do-able.

Myself, I'm looking to get more aggressive. With the exception of the Re4 lines there's not that much to know in the regular Marshall. As for the anti-Marshalls thats actually more common as most won't want to go into the regular gambit. But there, d3 and a4 don't seem theory intensive to me. The bad news is that 8.h3 does have quite a bit of theory, but there you can choose 8...Bb7 9.d3 d5?! which shortens the theory somewhat. He covers that too.

If you have a poor memory, you'll have to work extra hard on some parts but it also depends on the caliber of one's opponents. I know that in my neck of the woods, the people I'm likely to play will go for 15.Be3, 8.a4/h3. Plus, it can be fun to learn this...don't discount that.

Hope that answers your questions.
  

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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #16 - 12/09/10 at 23:59:18
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ghenghisclown wrote on 12/09/10 at 19:21:15:
MNb, your question leaves out the critical, "Judging by the video contents."

That was intentionally. As I am an oldfashioned book guy and chess DVD's definitely aren't for me I am not interested in "judging by the video contents", but in your own personal opinion. That still may be influenced by the DVD of course.
So do you generally agree with Alias? The variations in the Marshall are deep and not wide? There are only few types of positions? I am asking because I have an awful memory and find it a lot easier to remember a couple of ideas and connect them with concrete moves than just learning by heart.

ghenghisclown wrote on 12/09/10 at 19:21:15:
he's forgotten the theory in about 20 games (!) and that its possible (due to the Marshall's soundness) to find good moves OTB.

Now this sounds good. This is the kind of argument that makes me wanting to take up a variation.
  

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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #15 - 12/09/10 at 19:21:15
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Well, I agree with Alias that sometimes these "branches" are long but not wide.

On this DVD Gusta talks about some of the Marshall's qualities that discourage certain players from taking it up. He says its not really drawish, and certainly he makes a good case for that. He also says its true that there is a lot of theory, but that the Marshall will reward study more than most openings by putting Black in the position to win games by not having to do much work at the board.

Curiously though he then says it may not matter too much, as he's forgotten the theory in about 20 games (!) and that its possible (due to the Marshall's soundness) to find good moves OTB.

MNb, your question leaves out the critical, "Judging by the video contents." He has only one video looking at the "Old Mainline" 15. Be3. The most complicated stuff seems to be 15.Re4 which he splits up into a grand total of two videos. Of course, he has analysis which comes with the DVD - but part of the logic here is to avoid endgames. So he mentions a couple of the lines that go on in general terms  (his memory is pretty good too, making reference to Topalov-Adams) and how he skips at least one of those lines by playing Bf5.

The overall impression is that you have to know your stuff against 15.Be3, but that line isn't extremely difficult, and that most of the work is in 15. Re4.

It sounds like a lot going to the 20th move but actually this is because most of the moves are standard up to that (Alias'point): If White accepts the pawn he has to either allow the Bd6 and Qh4 idea or retreat the rook and try to move order Black. The latter idea he covers as well and doesn't think is a big deal.
  

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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #14 - 12/09/10 at 16:23:15
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MNb wrote on 12/09/10 at 16:11:32:
An opening well analyzed over the 20th move and not a lot of theory to learn? It's thinkable, but somehow I doubt it. So the obvious question is: why doesn't it seem that way to you?


Sometimes opening branches are long but not wide. Types of positions don't vary much, ie ideas are the same in most lines.  The Sveshnikov has long theoretical lines but is still called the easiest sicilian in a recent book.
  

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Reply #13 - 12/09/10 at 16:11:32
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An opening well analyzed over the 20th move and not a lot of theory to learn? It's thinkable, but somehow I doubt it. So the obvious question is: why doesn't it seem that way to you?
  

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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #12 - 12/09/10 at 01:05:10
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I just got Gustafsson's DVD on the Marshall. My preliminary impression is that its very organized and useful, but only if you're willing to do the work. Every video segment comes with an analysis file which investigates a line more deeply and summarizes the theory as he sees it as well.

He does go fast in some parts and doesn't mention things that, say, Martin might mention because he skips over a few things that are obvious to experts and up. So if you miss something you have to go over it...

Its very complete though and has everything you could face against strong players in a club or weekend tournament setting.

What might be worth discussing here is Gustafsson admitting that there's a lot of theory to know. Judging by the video contents, it doesn't seem that way to me. Maybe you guys have a different opinion?
  

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Reply #11 - 11/09/10 at 22:11:34
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Good point Stigma, I do not have the book (but it is still possible to find) but I use to divide the files or chapters and then choose the most important ones or the ones who appear in more percentage number of times. Ex: In studying the Nimzo, I give the numbers 1,2 and 3 to Classical system 4.Qc2, Rubinstein 4.e3 and Sämisch 4.a3 and then in numbers 15 and 16 less important or frequent systems or that don´t need so much dedication to study like 4.Bd2 or 4.Qb3 (Aagard claims in one of his dvd´s that he never saw the theory!) and then I start from day one when needed or move to other opening and repeat the process.
  

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Re: GM Jan Gustafsson: The Marshall Attack
Reply #10 - 11/09/10 at 15:49:09
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Basically it looks like a system of spaced repetition for a limited set of "units" of knowledge.

The system presented in the Chessedelic link runs 23 days; is Bouwmeester's idea after that to keep on expanding the same way or start over from day 1?

As presented the lower numbered units (1,2,3...) are trained more, so I assume the order of units is determined by importance (how critical and likely to turn up in games the various lines are).
  

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