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Re: Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
Reply #8 - 01/02/11 at 14:44:30
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Ok thanks all I get your points
  
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Re: Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
Reply #7 - 12/28/10 at 10:57:05
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I agree with 9.a4 is to white advantage. Also and idea could be 9. Bd3 b5?! 10.a4 b4 11.Ne4 and black's queenside will be weak even if c5 is played. Even a5 can be considered.
Maybe 9...c5 is better but white must be have an edge here.
  
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Re: Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
Reply #6 - 12/28/10 at 05:11:59
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I really think White can just play 9.a4 and be happy with his advantage.  Black's Queen's Knight is already on d7, so it won't be very easy to take advantage of the weakened b4-square.

If you insist on 9.0-0 b5, I strongly feel that e2 is the best square for the Bishop--compare it to many lines of the Anti-Meran.  First, Black has played ...h7-h6 already, so White doesn't need to try to provoke it.  There's not going to be any Greek Gift sacrifice here.  More importantly, Black has a backwards pawn on c7 and wants to play c7-c5 with approximate equality.  White needs to do everything he can to prevent that, and putting the Bishop on e2 doesn't block the d-file.  A rook on d1 would be nice in this position.  I'm thinking of something like 10.Be2 Bb7 11.Qc2 0-0 12.Rfd1 Rc8 13.Ne5 (otherwise 13...c5).  After 13...Qe8! though, consistently playing for the ...c7-c5 break, I think Black is about equal.

Thus, White should be happy with 9.a4!  You're trying to punish Black's mistake (loss of a tempo) by making a mistake of your own (allowing Black to realize his plan of expanding on the Queenside).  That sort of thing usually doesn't work out too well.
  
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Re: Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
Reply #5 - 12/28/10 at 04:10:58
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Hi Mark,

I think you misunderstood me. I am trying to find a way to punish Black XD. I don't believe that Black can get away unscathed, so I am trying to see what's wrong with Black's position =D

Ya, 9.a4 might be a good option. However, I think that even when White did not play Bc4 at one go, he can still allow Black to play b5. Therefore, I was wondering if White can get an advantage after b5 now that White has an extra tempo.

And may I know what's your idea with Be2? May I know whats the advantage of Be2 over Bd3?

Thanks
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Re: Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
Reply #4 - 12/27/10 at 14:46:20
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Personally, I would've played 9.a4.  But after 9...b5, 10.Be2 is to be considered, intending Qc2, some Rd1.

"I don't see how White can make use of his extra move" is pretty naive.  Just because you're not about to lose instantly by doing it is no reason to give White an extra tempo.
  

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Re: Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
Reply #3 - 12/27/10 at 04:53:33
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Hi all,

Thanks for your comments.

I actually think that Black has enough compensation after

14.Bxf6 Qxf6
15.Bxb5 axb5
16.Rxd7 Rxb8

Black's pieces are very active and White cannot really do much. After a move like say ... b4 White's knight do not really have anywhere to go, while Black's two bishops dominate the game.

I am also not too sure about

14.Ne4 Be7
15.Nxf6 Bxf6
16.Bg3 Qa5

I actually think that its easy for Black to play this position than for White Sad

The a4 idea looks interesting, I will look into that later.

However, does all these mean by allow Black to play b5 is a bad idea, even though he is losing a tempo?
  
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Re: Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
Reply #2 - 12/26/10 at 20:35:45
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In the case of ...c5 in place of Sokolov's ...b6, a couple of theory books think White should be slightly better even with a tempo less, as in a game Skembris-Graf.  Supposedly Black is harmed by the inclusion of ...h6 and Bh4 in that case.
  
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Re: Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
Reply #1 - 12/26/10 at 19:41:06
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In the final position White can achieve an edge with 14.Bf6 Qf6 15.Bb5, when Black does not have enough compensation for the pawn. But even without this move I prefer White after the natural 14.Ne4.

However, Black could have played better with alternatives such as 12...Rc8, so I recommend 9.a4 0-0 10.0-0, when Hertneck-Sokolov is worth examining.
  

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Anyway to get White advantage in this line?
12/26/10 at 14:45:06
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1.d4 d5
2.c4 e6
3.Nf3 Nf6
4.Bg5 Be7
5.e3 h6
6.Bh4 Nbd7
7.Nc3 dxc4(?! I always thought that it is bad to allow White to develop his bishop in 1 move)
8.Bxc4 a6
9.0-0 b5

What do you guys think? Can White get a promising position out of this? I don't really see how White can make use of his extra move.

Sample line:

10.Bd3 Bb7
11. Qe2 0-0
12. Rfd1 c5
13. dxc5 Bxc5

I don't see a White advantage, nor how White can make use of the latent attack on the queen down the d-file. Black can play Qb6 next move and then develop his pieces.

Anyone?
  
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