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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #15 - 10/09/16 at 11:12:32
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[Event "NAPZ/WS/M/26"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2016.01.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Flude, David A"]
[Black "Malek, Sigmund"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C14"]
[WhiteElo "2115"]
[BlackElo "2154"]
[Annotator "David Flude"]
[PlyCount "91"]
[EventDate "2016.??.??"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 {The Albin Chattard
attack is a good line to play against higher rated players. If white is well
prepared black will have to play carefully to draw and has few winning chances.
} Bxg5 7. hxg5 Qxg5 8. Nb5 {This move was first played in 1909 and then
forgotten about for a hundred years. Not only is it very dangerous but even
better it is not mentioned in many books and for the most part has been played
in correspondence chess and may come as a shock to over the board chess
players.} (8. Nh3 {this is the original move. However black can reach at least
equality if he knows the theory.}) (8. Qd3 {this is the line given in recent
books. It is probably unclear.}) 8... Qd8 9. Qg4 Kf8 {This move was played in
only one correspondence game and one over the board game on my database. I had
an improvement ready to sping on my opponent.} (9... g6 10. c4 {is the main
line. If white does not play 10. c4 the black siezes the advantage with 10...a6
}) 10. Nf3 a6 {This move looks obvious driving back the knight with a better
position for black.} 11. Ng5 Kg8 (11... axb5 12. Nxh7+ Kg8 13. Bd3 {other
moves are inadequate. The idea is to support the knight preparing to move the
queen to the h file.}) 12. Qf4 Qe7 13. Nxc7 Ra7 14. c4 {How can white
extricate the knight?} h6 15. Ngxe6 dxc4 {the best chance} (15... fxe6 16. cxd5
exd5 17. Nxd5 Qf7 18. Bc4 Qxf4 19. Nxf4+ {is winning for white}) 16. Nd5 Qxe6
17. Bxc4 g5 18. Qg3 Kg7 19. Bb3 Qg6 20. Ne3 Nf8 21. d5 Qe4 22. e6 {Note the
loose knight on b8} Qf4 23. Qxf4 gxf4 24. Nf5+ Kf6 25. Rxh6+ Ng6 (25... Rxh6
26. e7 {and white queens} Rh1+ 27. Ke2 Rxa1 28. exf8=Q) 26. Rxh8 Nxh8 27. Nd6 {
white wins back the piece with a much better position.} Bxe6 28. dxe6 fxe6 29.
Ne8+ Ke7 30. Nc7 e5 31. Nd5+ Kf8 32. Rc1 Nc6 33. Ba4 Nd8 34. Rc7 Nhf7 35. b4
Ne6 36. Re7 Neg5 37. f3 Kg8 38. Bc2 Kf8 39. a4 Kg7 40. a5 Kf8 41. Kf2 Kg7 42.
Re8 Nh7 43. Bb3 Nf8 44. Nb6 {the black rook is trapped.} Nd6 45. Re7+ Kh6 46.
Rxe5 1-0
  

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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #14 - 12/03/15 at 00:10:41
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1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4Bg5 4...Bb4 the Mccutcheon is unfashionable at high levels and black will not win if white plays well and knows the theory.

Black won't win in any more or less sound opening if white plays well. The Mccutcheon is an opening with chances for both sides, white has chances for an advantage especially in the Bc1 and Bh4 lines less in the old mainline with Bd2. Theoretical black seems to be okay.


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4...dxe4 again is very drawish.

yes but black had the option of taking on e4 on move 3 with a similar "draw". Still white has some small pull in these lines and with fine endgame technique black should also have his chances if white misplays the position or overpresses.

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4...Be7 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e5 Nd7 h4 is the line that we are interested in. Black can draw if he knows how but attempts to win are risky.


it's an interesting line. Currently blacks main try is 6...h6

I believe black is okay also after 6...Nc6 in the ACA. The key to win as white or black is to play better than your opponnent Wink


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If black is higher rated in my opinion he should play the Winawer 3..Bb4 or the Hecht-Reefsclager 3..Nc6.

4.exd5 is very safe for white but your suggestions are in general good lines to unbalance the position.

regards Tom
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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #13 - 12/01/15 at 19:55:15
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kylemeister wrote on 12/01/15 at 02:49:57:
I knew of it as Alekhine-Chatard.  Looking in a number of books that is also the most frequent name I find, though in the 1960s Horowitz called it the Albin-Chatard-Alekhine, and in the 1940s Fine wrote "Alekhine's Attack, sometimes also called Chatard's or Albin-Chatard's Attack."    Smiley



Kind of strange all this name confution.... So just for fun I looked up in my 1974  Chess Informant. No other than Keres is responsible for this French section. He gives a note  after 6.h4 which simply says "Aljehin". One cannot argue with Keres, so Alekhine is not to be excluded as a part of the name in this variation  Wink

Hehe. Not to be taken that seriously...

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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #12 - 12/01/15 at 08:34:21
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McCutcheon for sure ! And then... no Alekhine-Albin-Chatard attack.

I play the Winawer and in my local club there is a player who loves this gambit as White. Sometimes I play 3...Nf6 and then his eyes start brighting hoping he will play his fav line but... I lke McCutcheon too Smiley

It's a dangerous gambit for Black, maybe theoretically Black is OK (I don't know) but in practice... it's difficult to play by Black.
  
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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #11 - 12/01/15 at 02:49:57
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I knew of it as Alekhine-Chatard.  Looking in a number of books that is also the most frequent name I find, though in the 1960s Horowitz called it the Albin-Chatard-Alekhine, and in the 1940s Fine wrote "Alekhine's Attack, sometimes also called Chatard's or Albin-Chatard's Attack."    Smiley
  
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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #10 - 11/30/15 at 23:39:00
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Similar vintage to GG, (I am 41) and I only ever heard it called the Alekhine-Chathard Attack too.
  
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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #9 - 11/30/15 at 19:28:02
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@everalexfor

I think the Alekhine-Chatard Gambit is very interesting.

Have a look at this:



The reason that I call it the Alekhine-Chatard Attack is that im forty years old and never heard another name. I was pretty sure that the name was alredy established, but no.. Well, no matter. Its the variation everalexfor is interesed in, and and chessvise I think its a good one. Could also be used at pretty high level as the game shows...

Pedersen named this 8.Qd3 "The Hector-variation". And right he was even though Kasparov also played it against Korchnoi (around 2001 if my memory serves me right) and won.

The statistics in my databases suggest its a very sound gambit.

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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #8 - 11/30/15 at 17:00:44
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I was going to agree with Bibs, but Ako makes a good counterpoint!

I'm still interested in this line though. I hope people will continue to post new ideas they see in this line. I feel that the ball is squarely in Black's court at the moment though. The main line of the Classical French is rarely played in large measure due to the Albin-Chatard Attack.
  
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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #7 - 11/30/15 at 11:18:32
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Bibs wrote on 11/30/15 at 09:25:30:
Well, I disagree with much of what was just written. All of it, I'd guess, in fact.
I find it difficult to talk of drawing and drawish at moves 3-4. But there are people with a great deal more insight and foresight than me around, that's true.
That all just seemed incredibly crass oversimplification of a number of very complex lines. Daft, really.



I disagree. One can safely say that 1.e4 e6 is =+  (Zugzwang)
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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #6 - 11/30/15 at 09:25:30
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Well, I disagree with much of what was just written. All of it, I'd guess, in fact.
I find it difficult to talk of drawing and drawish at moves 3-4. But there are people with a great deal more insight and foresight than me around, that's true.
That all just seemed incredibly crass oversimplification of a number of very complex lines. Daft, really.

  
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Re: C14: What's the latest on Albin-Chatard attack?
Reply #5 - 11/30/15 at 03:03:33
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Ametanoitos wrote on 01/17/11 at 20:35:34:
The "problem" is that Black has 2 theoretically respectable and more popular alternatives to 4...Be7. The 4...Bb4 and 4...dxe4 moves.


Anyone who plays 3.Nc3 against the French Defence has to be prepared for a range of lines by black. So black can play the Winawer,the Mccutcheon, The Burn variation, the Rubenstein variation or even Hecht-Reefsclager 3..Nc6.

So white players have a lot of work to do to prepare for the French Defence.

A useful rule of thumb for white is

If your opponent is higher rated

then play 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4Bg5

4...Bb4 the Mccutcheon is unfashionable at high levels and black will not win if white plays well and knows the theory.

4...dxe again is very drawish.

4...Be7 5.Bg5 dxe is also drawish.

4...Be7 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e5 Nd7 h4 is the line that we are interested in. Black can draw if he knows how but attempts to win are risky.

If black is higher rated in my opinion he should play the Winawer 3..Bb4 or the Hecht-Reefsclager 3..Nc6.

If white is higher rated he should consider

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 This is a main line where it is difficult for black to fully equalize but he should draw if he has a really good technique. If white is a stodge merchant this is the line to play.
  

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Re: What's the latest on the albin-chatard attack?
Reply #4 - 01/19/11 at 21:03:39
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Albin's name attached to this gambit is new for me.
Indeed, he played it in 1890 already.
So I have learned something today.

Shall we call it Albin-Lawrence-Chatard-Alekhine Attack then?
  

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Re: What's the latest on the albin-chatard attack?
Reply #3 - 01/19/11 at 17:45:08
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MNb wrote on 01/16/11 at 04:25:32:
A nice first step will be to find out the difference between Albin and Alekhine ...
Last year saw Vallejo Pons, Kostenjuk and Berg playing it against Zvjaginsev, Kortchnoi and Kovacevic.


I've been playing the French Classical for most of my life. I always thought the long name for the gambit was "Alekhine-Albin-Chatard"

Is there a specific variation that gets the "Alekhine" name and another that gets the "Albin" name?  And who determined this? Tim Harding, in his 1991 book on the Classical French, didn't make any such distinction.

  
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Re: What's the latest on the albin-chatard attack?
Reply #2 - 01/17/11 at 20:35:34
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The "problem" is that Black has 2 theoritically respectable and more popular alternatives to 4...Be7. The 4...Bb4 and 4...dxe4 moves.
  
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Re: What's the latest on the albin-chatard attack?
Reply #1 - 01/16/11 at 04:25:32
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A nice first step will be to find out the difference between Albin and Alekhine ...
Last year saw Vallejo Pons, Kostenjuk and Berg playing it against Zvjaginsev, Kortchnoi and Kovacevic.
  

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