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Is there any recent development on the status of Volume 3 yet?
  

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Reply #37 - 11/07/11 at 09:43:00
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GabrielGale wrote on 11/07/11 at 01:47:04:
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Unfortunately, their hand-waving about "ideas" in the first chapter rather obscures the actual repertoire (there is a big hole in their closed catalan chapter from the first book. 

I'll note that after 7...Qa5 8 e4 e5 9 h3 is the main move, and point you to page 32 where a game is covered that has 7...Qa5 8 h3 e5 9 e4 move order.  It's not deeply covered though.


Thanks Pantu. I missed that. This is my first pass through the book and things have not really stuck in my mind as yet.
I checked Megabase and found  3 (or 4?) Wojo games in this line. Interesting why the authors did not include an analysis oif those games (yes one fo them was a quick draw but the other two were not.)
Back to the game Hilton - Zlotnikov, after 7 Nc3 Qa5 8 h3, they had a note saying they recommend 8 e4. But the point is Black's move after 8 e4. Here Zlotnikov played 8...e5 but the authors in Ch 11 only looked at ...Qh5 and ...Bg4.

Perhaps, taking an inspiration from the authors project, we can try to work something out here in ChessPub in this thread (or a new thread ?) on how White should proceed after ...Qa5 e4 e5? I will look up the games form Megabase. Perhaps "Fling" can spare not notes on what problems he is encountering with this line?


If I find something I'll post it. But in this case, we were discussing vol 1, since Pantu mentioned there was a 'big hole' in the analysis in that one.
  
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Reply #36 - 11/07/11 at 01:47:04
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Unfortunately, their hand-waving about "ideas" in the first chapter rather obscures the actual repertoire (there is a big hole in their closed catalan chapter from the first book. 

I'll note that after 7...Qa5 8 e4 e5 9 h3 is the main move, and point you to page 32 where a game is covered that has 7...Qa5 8 h3 e5 9 e4 move order.  It's not deeply covered though.


Thanks Pantu. I missed that. This is my first pass through the book and things have not really stuck in my mind as yet.
I checked Megabase and found  3 (or 4?) Wojo games in this line. Interesting why the authors did not include an analysis oif those games (yes one fo them was a quick draw but the other two were not.)
Back to the game Hilton - Zlotnikov, after 7 Nc3 Qa5 8 h3, they had a note saying they recommend 8 e4. But the point is Black's move after 8 e4. Here Zlotnikov played 8...e5 but the authors in Ch 11 only looked at ...Qh5 and ...Bg4.

Perhaps, taking an inspiration from the authors project, we can try to work something out here in ChessPub in this thread (or a new thread ?) on how White should proceed after ...Qa5 e4 e5? I will look up the games form Megabase. Perhaps "Fling" can spare not notes on what problems he is encountering with this line?
  

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Reply #35 - 11/06/11 at 12:17:16
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Thx, Pantu! I will have a look at this.

  
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"...as we'll learn later, 12...h6 and 12...c5 are two stronger moves"...I had thought 12...c5 wasn't mentioned either, but found it when searching for this


Sorry, just checked this again, and I was right that neither are mentioned as it is 12 Nxe4 c5 that is covered and not 12 Ng5 c5.  But to be fair, they do suggest that 12 Nxe4 is their main line, although I side with Avrukh that 12 Ng5 is more promising for white.
  
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Reply #33 - 11/06/11 at 11:42:01
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Well, 'big hole' is perhaps an exaggeration, but in the very first game in Chapter 1 they have a note "...as we'll learn later, 12...h6 and 12...c5 are two stronger moves".  but 12...h6 isn't mentioned anywhere else as far as I can tell.  I had thought 12...c5 wasn't mentioned either, but found it when searching for this...this muddle means that I needed to do a lot of work entering all analysis to a database and merging/pruning.

There are quite a few similar holes throughout the repertoire, where I wonder what the idea is against a certain well known move and discover it is not covered at all. e.g. I wonder what to do in the QGA line, after 7 dxc5 Bxc5 8 Qxd8 Kxd8 9 Be2 Ke7 10 Ne5 Bd7, played by - amongst others - Ivanchuk, Kasparov (vs Kramnik!) and Shirov.

Generally I think their approach is interesting, but they seem to want the book to be too many things (repertoire guide, tribute, middlegame book) which makes it a muddle, with pages devoted to things not relevant to the repertoire and completely missing stuff that is.  There is at least one place with 2 pages of analysis of a line where Avrukh just gives '+=' which was my reaction when looking at the position as well - a position to play, not to analyse.
  
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Reply #32 - 11/06/11 at 11:09:24
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Unfortunately, their hand-waving about "ideas" in the first chapter rather obscures the actual repertoire (there is a big hole in their closed catalan chapter from the first book. 



What line is this? I have notice some things missing, but nothing major yet.

I haven't yet looked too much at vol 2, but the 7 ...Qa5 line is what I have had most problems playing against in my blitz testing so far.
  
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Unfortunately, their hand-waving about "ideas" in the first chapter rather obscures the actual repertoire (there is a big hole in their closed catalan chapter from the first book. 

I'll note that after 7...Qa5 8 e4 e5 9 h3 is the main move, and point you to page 32 where a game is covered that has 7...Qa5 8 h3 e5 9 e4 move order.  It's not deeply covered though.
  
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Reply #30 - 11/02/11 at 12:17:32
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As indicated in another thread, I have been working through Wojo vol 2 partly to learn the KID fianchetto (a bit of a fetish with me to fianchetto my bishop) as well as to learn a bit more of positional play. I enjoyed the early main chapters. I have sort of reach Ch 11 where the authors concentrate on Black's response on the 6th move, 6...c6. (The repertoire is mainline 6...Nbd7, then 6...Nc6, then 6...c5). Ch 11 deals with what the authors call the "Kavalek system" with a 7...Qa5. Now the authors recommend 8 e4 (funnily enough the authors seem to suggest this is not as common as other moves but in my TWIC database (1 million games since 1992) this has been played 505 times whilst 8 h3 has been played 271 times  Undecided) and they go on to consider only two Black responses, 8...Qh5 and 8...Bg4. According to TWIC database, 8...Qh5 was played 97 times and 8...Bg4 played 186 times. But the authors do not discuss 8...e5 played 221 times!!!

What is going on? Am I missing anything? I checked and I don't think there is a transposition to any other part of the repertoire. Is this a hole in the repertoire?

I ran this position with Hiarcs 13 and its opening book and it recommends 8 e4 and gives it a "!!".

Can anyone who has Wojo vol 2 and who has gone through the book and/or who plays the KID fianchetto as White  please help out? Any explanation? Thanks in advance.
  

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Reply #29 - 09/25/11 at 18:26:51
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Jonathan_Hilton wrote on 09/23/11 at 20:52:19:
Hi fling,

Well, to answer your question--I'm working feverishly on it right now. The project got off to a bit of a slow start since I was traveling in Europe, but I've settled down in a cozy little Belgian town and am able to work on it more or less full time.

The biggest part will cover the Grunfeld. We have a lot of surprise weapons/novelties, and in general we're finding relatively big advantages for White, so this section should be quite strong.

The rest of the book will cover everything else. We're talking Dutches, Symmetrical English stuff, all kinds of random sidelines, you name it. I think the book will likely be split half and half between the Grunfeld and the other lines, but we'll see how it shapes out.

Most of the analysis is already done, so the bulk of the writing is going to take place over the next three or four months.

Hope that helps!

Jonathan Hilton


Great news, it sure helps! Unfortunately, not for this years series though Smiley On the other hand, I am not quite done with the first two volumes, lol!
  
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Reply #28 - 09/24/11 at 07:54:40
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 09/23/11 at 22:24:41:
I assume the Fianchetto will be recommended against the Grünfeld? Will the book try to improve on the games of the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad in 2010 where there were many games with the 10. Re1 a5 line?



Jonathan Hilton answered that question in an earlier post that you can read if you simply scan this page:

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We'll be tackling the Grunfeld head-on in Volume III as well. We will be recommending some strong lines in the Fianchetto Grunfeld, with a lot of original analysis from Dean, and hopefully some of my own favorite lines featuring Qe1 if there's space.

We'll also need to cover the Dutch, something we didn't do in Volume I. With any luck, Volume III will wrap everything up, and will probably be 400+ pages.



But does that specifically refer to the 10. Re1 a5 line?
  

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I assume the Fianchetto will be recommended against the Grünfeld? Will the book try to improve on the games of the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad in 2010 where there were many games with the 10. Re1 a5 line?



Jonathan Hilton answered that question in an earlier post that you can read if you simply scan this page:

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We'll be tackling the Grunfeld head-on in Volume III as well. We will be recommending some strong lines in the Fianchetto Grunfeld, with a lot of original analysis from Dean, and hopefully some of my own favorite lines featuring Qe1 if there's space.

We'll also need to cover the Dutch, something we didn't do in Volume I. With any luck, Volume III will wrap everything up, and will probably be 400+ pages.

  
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I assume the Fianchetto will be recommended against the Grünfeld? Will the book try to improve on the games of the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad in 2010 where there were many games with the 10. Re1 a5 line?
  

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Reply #25 - 09/23/11 at 20:52:19
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Hi fling,

Well, to answer your question--I'm working feverishly on it right now. The project got off to a bit of a slow start since I was traveling in Europe, but I've settled down in a cozy little Belgian town and am able to work on it more or less full time.

The biggest part will cover the Grunfeld. We have a lot of surprise weapons/novelties, and in general we're finding relatively big advantages for White, so this section should be quite strong.

The rest of the book will cover everything else. We're talking Dutches, Symmetrical English stuff, all kinds of random sidelines, you name it. I think the book will likely be split half and half between the Grunfeld and the other lines, but we'll see how it shapes out.

Most of the analysis is already done, so the bulk of the writing is going to take place over the next three or four months.

Hope that helps!

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Reply #24 - 09/12/11 at 15:23:47
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Not sure if I should post here, since vol 3 will not concern KID lines. However, since many asked for it and Jon even answered here, I'll try.

Does anybody know anything about vol 3?
  
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Reply #23 - 05/14/11 at 23:08:04
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Received volume 2 a few days ago, looks excellent!
I was especially pleased to see some coverage of the b3 mainlines in the Panno. Camilla Baginskaite's games against the KID in this years US women's Championship perked my interest in this line.
  
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Reply #22 - 03/07/11 at 07:28:29
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Volume 2 looks nice, Jon. Keep up the good work. I'd be surprised if you manage to squeeze everything not d5 or KID in one volume, though.
  

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Reply #21 - 03/06/11 at 21:27:38
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Also, note that a preview of Volume 2 is available at:

https://www.schachversand.de/DBBilder/leseprob/LOIPPWW2.pdf
  
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Reply #20 - 03/06/11 at 21:25:12
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Hi all!

Sorry I didn't pick up on this thread sooner! I usually try to respond to these types of conversations.

First, thanks to all for the kind words. Volume II really does just deal with the King's Indian--all 340 pages. A few positions that could also occur after 1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 also pop up, but the Symmetrical English will really be the focus of Volume III.

We'll be tackling the Grunfeld head-on in Volume III as well. We will be recommending some strong lines in the Fianchetto Grunfeld, with a lot of original analysis from Dean, and hopefully some of my own favorite lines featuring Qe1 if there's space.

We'll also need to cover the Dutch, something we didn't do in Volume I. With any luck, Volume III will wrap everything up, and will probably be 400+ pages.

I'm leaving for Europe in June, so the timeline for Volume III isn't clear at this point. We'll of course keep everyone updated!

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Reply #19 - 02/28/11 at 19:23:00
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I'll definitely buy this; it should be more accessible than Avrukh and I'll finally be able to start playing the Fianchetto KID (I use Avrukh for lines I already play but generally need a little more instruction and verbal explanation for lines that I've never used before).

I'm disappointed that it doesn't also include the Grunfeld, but given the move order I think we can assume they're going to recommend an anti-Grunfeld line in some miscellaneous/daring defences volume.
  
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Reply #18 - 02/27/11 at 19:39:15
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Looks like it should be a great treatise on the finachetto King's Indian with White. Super duper.
  

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Reply #17 - 02/27/11 at 17:12:48
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So no grunfeld? Well, this book should be an excellent compliment to Avrukh. I've pre-ordered my copy.
  
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Reply #15 - 02/23/11 at 00:24:41
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LostTactic wrote on 02/20/11 at 21:13:53:
If anyone has read both Wojo's repertoire and Avrukh's (GM series) which do you prefer? Or do they complement each other?


Avrukh's book is more scholarly, complete, and serious.  But it's so incredibly strong in all those suits (I think it's the best chess book of the past 10 years) that this really isn't much of a criticism of Wojo's Weapons, which is an interesting work and deserves a close look.  If I had to limit myself to exactly one of these works I would choose Avrukh.  Fortunately, I don't.

Offtopic, this heart of mine palpitates in expectation of Avrukh's Gruenfeld work.
  

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Is this book supposed to cover other lines than the King's Indian, such as Grünfeld, Benoni, Volga Gambit, Bogo, etc.? Or perhaps that is covered in Volume 3? Smiley


I really hope--and highly suspect--that this volume will at least also cover the Grunfeld.  I can't imagine an entire volume devoted just to the KID, considering the first one covered the Catalan, Tarrasch, and Slav.  I think this will be KID and Grunfeld, with one more volume on the symmetrical English and associated sidelines. 
  
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Is this book supposed to cover other lines than the King's Indian, such as Grünfeld, Benoni, Volga Gambit, Bogo, etc.? Or perhaps that is covered in Volume 3? Smiley


Volume 3 should normally cover symetrical English and some Anti-lines. Just like in the According to Kramnik series. Think about the mover order starting with 1.Nf3 2.c4 etc. Wink
  
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Is this book supposed to cover other lines than the King's Indian, such as Grünfeld, Benoni, Volga Gambit, Bogo, etc.? Or perhaps that is covered in Volume 3? Smiley
  

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Reply #11 - 02/21/11 at 17:13:18
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fling wrote on 02/21/11 at 08:33:50:
I can't say I have read both, but for me as a club player, I find Wojo's Weapons 1 much more informative. It focuses on explanations of why a certain move is played, whereas Avrukh gives more critical lines, with less explanation (more Informator-style). Avrukh provides more coverage of course, which to me makes his work more like an encyclopedia. The books kinda complement each other, yes.

However, I have Winning with the Catalan, Beating the Flank Openings, Play the Catalan, Master the Chess Openings, A strategic opening repertoire and The Catalan from before, but it was only with Wojo's Weapons 1 I finally realized why certain moves are not good in the Catalan. Therefore, I will for sure buy vol. 2!


Thank you for this information, I think the explanations will be important for me as I am not really a strong player, so I'll be purchasing Wojo's v.1 right away!
  
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LostTactic wrote on 02/20/11 at 21:13:53:
If anyone has read both Wojo's repertoire and Avrukh's (GM series) which do you prefer? Or do they complement each other?


I can't say I have read both, but for me as a club player, I find Wojo's Weapons 1 much more informative. It focuses on explanations of why a certain move is played, whereas Avrukh gives more critical lines, with less explanation (more Informator-style). Avrukh provides more coverage of course, which to me makes his work more like an encyclopedia. The books kinda complement each other, yes.

However, I have Winning with the Catalan, Beating the Flank Openings, Play the Catalan, Master the Chess Openings, A strategic opening repertoire and The Catalan from before, but it was only with Wojo's Weapons 1 I finally realized why certain moves are not good in the Catalan. Therefore, I will for sure buy vol. 2!
  
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I expected the 2nd volume to cover a bit more than the KID (although that is a big subject!). This series could be as extensive as the Khalifman/Kramnik series, at least in the number of pages.


It seems volume 1 was a success, but not  very profitable, now the focus is on ebit.
  

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I expected the 2nd volume to cover a bit more than the KID (although that is a big subject!). This series could be as extensive as the Khalifman/Kramnik series, at least in the number of pages.
  

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I got this information from an email exchange with the publisher some time ago. I do not know about the coverage of the other lines however, since I was mainly interested in the fianchetto KID. So, sorry, can't help you with the rest. You can try emailing the publisher directly though if you are interested enough.
  

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Re: Wojo's Weapons: Winning With White, Volume 2
Reply #5 - 02/01/11 at 23:51:07
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Antillian wrote on 02/01/11 at 23:14:21:
huibui wrote on 02/01/11 at 22:17:57:
I hoped they would cover the symetrical English too, but hopefully this topic will be discussed in a later volume. Sad


It is being covered in Volume 3


What about Grunfeld, Dutch and all the rest? May I ask where you get this information from? I cannot find any schedule or other information on their website... Embarrassed
  

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huibui wrote on 02/01/11 at 22:17:57:
I hoped they would cover the symetrical English too, but hopefully this topic will be discussed in a later volume. Sad


It is being covered in Volume 3
  

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Re: Wojo's Weapons: Winning With White, Volume 2
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kylemeister wrote on 02/01/11 at 22:40:58:
I wouldn't have thought it is news that it is possible to outplay one's opponents even from less-critical opening lines.


I guess it depends on what kind of "less-critical opening lines". The less critical tries in the Catalan tend to lead to rather dry, technical positions. What I was trying to say is that the first volume showed how White can press in these positions, which look so easy to play/defend from Black's pov.

(by the way, maybe it was news for Topalov (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1581333) ; Tongue)
  

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Re: Wojo's Weapons: Winning With White, Volume 2
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I wouldn't have thought it is news that it is possible to outplay one's opponents even from less-critical opening lines.
  
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Re: Wojo's Weapons: Winning With White, Volume 2
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Well, Vol. 1 was really helpful and encouraging for Catalan-addicts like me, as it showed that even in the lines Avrukh considered to be less critical White still has some chances of outplaying his opponents. I hoped they would cover the symetrical English too, but hopefully this topic will be discussed in a later volume. Sad

Thanks for giving the link, anyway!
  

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02/01/11 at 21:41:23
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This just caught my eye. It should be a great compliment to Avrukh, particulary for mere mortals like me:

http://www.mongoosepress.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=101:wo...

IM Dean Ippolito and NM Jonathan Hilton team up again to continue their coverage of the late GM Aleksander Wojtkiewicz’s winning repertoire with the White pieces, designed to grind down weaker players while challenging his peers.

In this second volume, Ippolito and Hilton examine Wojo’s handling of the popular King’s Indian Defense, focusing on the positional Fianchetto Variation. Over the course of 78 fully annotated complete games, the authors examine Black’s various plans, explain the key ideas, offer original analysis, and show the way for White to minimize counterplay and nurse his natural opening edge through to victory.

Far more than an opening monograph, Wojo’s Weapons 2 is a seminar in how to cash in on small advantages, which players of all strengths – even those who don’t play queen’s pawn openings – will find instructive.
  

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