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Re: New plans in the ...e5 English with early ...Be7
Reply #4 - 02/11/11 at 12:30:51
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Oh, your earlier posts were a joke. Sorry for misunderstanding you.  Embarrassed


They're no joke and you know it but whatever.  I recommended 3...Nf6 the Berlin vs. the Spanish to a  very highly ranked international correspondence chess player (top 2 or 3 in America) in the 1980s at a chess club in Charlottesville, VA, long before it became all the rage.

So dismiss all you like, but me and my silicon training partner have zero doubts about the viability of these lines.
  
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Re: New plans in the ...e5 English with early ...Be7
Reply #3 - 02/11/11 at 12:15:43
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George Jempty wrote on 02/11/11 at 10:59:55:
TN wrote on 02/11/11 at 05:53:20:
George Jempty wrote on 02/11/11 at 02:20:01:
Last year I believe I devised a couple of seemingly viable TN's against the English involving 1...e5 and an early ...Be7 by Black:

    [1. c4 e5  2. Nc3 d6  3. g3 f5  4. d4 exd4  5. Qxd4 Be7 when 6. Qxg7? is met by 6...Bf6]
    [1. c4 e5  2. g3 (or 2. Nc3 Be7  3. g3 h5) Be7 3. Bg2 h5]


In the former a playable late-opening/early-middlegame setup for Black involves ...Nc6 gaining tempo against White's queen, followed up by ...Ne5 and ...c6 as appropriate.

As for the latter the plan is a little less subtle; to quote Fischer, "Sac, Sac, Mate!"


TN on TNs:

1) 5...Be7 looks dodgy if White doesn't blunder his queen. After 6.Nd5 (6.Bg2 should also favour White, but is less convincing in my view) 6...Nf6 (or 6...Bf6 7.Qe3! Be7 8.Bg2 with a slight edge for White) 7.Ne7 Qe7 8.Bg2 Nc6 9.Qf4 Ne5 10.Be3 0-0 11.Nf3 and White's position is preferable due to his bishop pair.

2) 3...h5 looks like total garbage. Simply 4.h3 h4 5.g4 leaves Black with holes on the kingside and a silly e7-bishop.


    [1. c4 e5  2. Nc3 d6  3. g3 f5  4. d4 exd4  5. Qxd4 Be7 and I believe your instinct that 6. Bg2 is better than Nd5 is correct, though Black's position is nevertheless completely playable.  6. Nd5?! on the other hand is not a significant concern for Black in these lines where he plays ...d6 and ...Be7 including the more commonplace 4...Be7 played by Vaganian and Tseshkovsky to name a couple; Black's ...Be7 is a bad bishop so you can go ahead and spent a couple of tempo going after it if you please]

    ["3...h5 looks like total garbage. Simply 4.h3 h4"  Precisely the reaction I am seeking: immediate disdain, and immediate assumption that certain moves are "de riguer": Black need not play 4...h4?! after 4...h3 and instead has a number of moves that equalize more or less immediately.  Regardless of your opinion to which of course you are entitled, 3...h5!? fits into my repetoire in that as White against the Pirc I play 4. Be2 and then either 5. Bg5 or 5. h4]






Oh, your earlier posts were a joke. Sorry for misunderstanding you.  Embarrassed
  

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Re: New plans in the ...e5 English with early ...Be7
Reply #2 - 02/11/11 at 10:59:55
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TN wrote on 02/11/11 at 05:53:20:
George Jempty wrote on 02/11/11 at 02:20:01:
Last year I believe I devised a couple of seemingly viable TN's against the English involving 1...e5 and an early ...Be7 by Black:

    [1. c4 e5  2. Nc3 d6  3. g3 f5  4. d4 exd4  5. Qxd4 Be7 when 6. Qxg7? is met by 6...Bf6]
    [1. c4 e5  2. g3 (or 2. Nc3 Be7  3. g3 h5) Be7 3. Bg2 h5]


In the former a playable late-opening/early-middlegame setup for Black involves ...Nc6 gaining tempo against White's queen, followed up by ...Ne5 and ...c6 as appropriate.

As for the latter the plan is a little less subtle; to quote Fischer, "Sac, Sac, Mate!"


TN on TNs:

1) 5...Be7 looks dodgy if White doesn't blunder his queen. After 6.Nd5 (6.Bg2 should also favour White, but is less convincing in my view) 6...Nf6 (or 6...Bf6 7.Qe3! Be7 8.Bg2 with a slight edge for White) 7.Ne7 Qe7 8.Bg2 Nc6 9.Qf4 Ne5 10.Be3 0-0 11.Nf3 and White's position is preferable due to his bishop pair.

2) 3...h5 looks like total garbage. Simply 4.h3 h4 5.g4 leaves Black with holes on the kingside and a silly e7-bishop.


    [1. c4 e5  2. Nc3 d6  3. g3 f5  4. d4 exd4  5. Qxd4 Be7 and I believe your instinct that 6. Bg2 is better than Nd5 is correct, though Black's position is nevertheless completely playable.  6. Nd5?! on the other hand is not a significant concern for Black in these lines where he plays ...d6 and ...Be7 including the more commonplace 4...Be7 played by Vaganian and Tseshkovsky to name a couple; Black's ...Be7 is a bad bishop so you can go ahead and spent a couple of tempo going after it if you please]

    ["3...h5 looks like total garbage. Simply 4.h3 h4"  Precisely the reaction I am seeking: immediate disdain, and immediate assumption that certain moves are "de riguer": Black need not play 4...h4?! after 4...h3 and instead has a number of moves that equalize more or less immediately.  Regardless of your opinion to which of course you are entitled, 3...h5!? fits into my repetoire in that as White against the Pirc I play 4. Be2 and then either 5. Bg5 or 5. h4]




  
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Re: New plans in the ...e5 English with early ...Be7
Reply #1 - 02/11/11 at 05:53:20
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George Jempty wrote on 02/11/11 at 02:20:01:
Last year I believe I devised a couple of seemingly viable TN's against the English involving 1...e5 and an early ...Be7 by Black:

    [1. c4 e5  2. Nc3 d6  3. g3 f5  4. d4 exd4  5. Qxd4 Be7 when 6. Qxg7? is met by 6...Bf6]
    [1. c4 e5  2. g3 (or 2. Nc3 Be7  3. g3 h5) Be7 3. Bg2 h5]


In the former a playable late-opening/early-middlegame setup for Black involves ...Nc6 gaining tempo against White's queen, followed up by ...Ne5 and ...c6 as appropriate.

As for the latter the plan is a little less subtle; to quote Fischer, "Sac, Sac, Mate!"


TN on TNs:

1) 5...Be7 looks dodgy if White doesn't blunder his queen. After 6.Nd5 (6.Bg2 should also favour White, but is less convincing in my view) 6...Nf6 (or 6...Bf6 7.Qe3! Be7 8.Bg2 with a slight edge for White) 7.Ne7 Qe7 8.Bg2 Nc6 9.Qf4 Ne5 10.Be3 0-0 11.Nf3 and White's position is preferable due to his bishop pair.

2) 3...h5 looks like total garbage. Simply 4.h3 h4 5.g4 leaves Black with holes on the kingside and a silly e7-bishop.
  

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New plans in the ...e5 English with early ...Be7
02/11/11 at 02:20:01
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Last year I believe I devised a couple of seemingly viable TN's against the English involving 1...e5 and an early ...Be7 by Black:

    [1. c4 e5  2. Nc3 d6  3. g3 f5  4. d4 exd4  5. Qxd4 Be7 when 6. Qxg7? is met by 6...Bf6]
    [1. c4 e5  2. g3 (or 2. Nc3 Be7  3. g3 h5) Be7 3. Bg2 h5]


In the former a playable late-opening/early-middlegame setup for Black involves ...Nc6 gaining tempo against White's queen, followed up by ...Ne5 and ...c6 as appropriate.

As for the latter the plan is a little less subtle; to quote Fischer, "Sac, Sac, Mate!"
  
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