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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #11 - 08/01/12 at 11:49:13
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Keano wrote on 08/01/12 at 11:40:00:
Wang won a nice game as Black against Nakamura with this line yesterday.

...where 8...Qd8!? appeared to be a new move.  Wink
  
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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #10 - 08/01/12 at 11:40:00
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Wang won a nice game as Black against Nakamura with this line yesterday.
  
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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #9 - 03/12/11 at 09:11:27
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That basically seems to be what Watson (mastering the chess openings (III)) seems to think, but also that the 4 Nf3 main line (still more or less as per Tamainov etc) is a little delicate to be fully practical.

Which I suppose is a small edge in some other words. Whether its convertible might be another matter, but still plenty of pieces so plenty of chances for either side to go wrong.
  
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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #8 - 03/11/11 at 22:13:53
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MNb wrote on 02/15/11 at 10:04:58:
Then run your engine through this game and/or do a database research.
Sometimes I have the impression that the modern age of computers stimulates laziness.

My impression from Kosten's Dynamic English is that the Keres is decent.
  
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Re: Keres line against English Opening
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Then run your engine through this game and/or do a database research.
Sometimes I have the impression that the modern age of computers stimulates laziness.
  

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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #6 - 02/15/11 at 00:45:37
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MNb wrote on 02/15/11 at 00:32:41:
kevinfat wrote on 02/14/11 at 02:01:30:
1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 c6

I hear that this line is suppose to give white a small edge. Does anyone know the analysis and lines behind this claim?

If you have faith in Taimanov's judgment of 25 years ago: 4.Nf3 e4 5.Nd4 d5 6.cxd5 Qb6 7.Nb3 cxd5 8.Bg2 Bf5 9.d3 (or 9.0-0 Nc6 10.d3) Bb4 10.0-0 Bxc3 11.bxc3 0-0 13.Be3 Qc7 13.Nd4 (deviating from Reshevsky-Keres, Los Angeles 1963) Bg6 14.Qd2 Nc6 15.f4 exf3 16.exf3 +=Nalis-Kosina, corr 1976.

That's like the dark ages of chess. 25 years ago is like the dark ages of computers.
  
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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #5 - 02/15/11 at 00:32:41
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kevinfat wrote on 02/14/11 at 02:01:30:
1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 c6

I hear that this line is suppose to give white a small edge. Does anyone know the analysis and lines behind this claim?

If you have faith in Taimanov's judgment of 25 years ago: 4.Nf3 e4 5.Nd4 d5 6.cxd5 Qb6 7.Nb3 cxd5 8.Bg2 Bf5 9.d3 (or 9.0-0 Nc6 10.d3) Bb4 10.0-0 Bxc3 11.bxc3 0-0 13.Be3 Qc7 13.Nd4 (deviating from Reshevsky-Keres, Los Angeles 1963) Bg6 14.Qd2 Nc6 15.f4 exf3 16.exf3 +=Nalis-Kosina, corr 1976.
  

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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #4 - 02/14/11 at 21:42:46
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Alias wrote on 02/14/11 at 06:39:15:


The analysis on the Keres line seemed pretty sparse. I can't say I'm convinced that white gets a small edge.
  
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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #3 - 02/14/11 at 12:07:52
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That's right. I was too lazy to check the actual moves. (Only three also. Extremely lazy.)
  

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Re: Keres line against English Opening
Reply #2 - 02/14/11 at 11:50:49
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Alias wrote on 02/14/11 at 06:39:15:


Replacing the move Bg2 with Nc3 seems to make some difference in the 4...ed4 5.Qd4 d5 and 5...Na6 variations. Maybe they transpose in the end, though.
  

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Re: Keres line against English Opening
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Keres line against English Opening
02/14/11 at 02:01:30
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1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 c6

I hear that this line is suppose to give white a small edge. Does anyone know the analysis and lines behind this claim?
  
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