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Re: Yugoslav with 8.dxc5
Reply #5 - 10/02/12 at 23:10:30
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TNich wrote on 10/02/12 at 18:01:09:
I think it's a little harsh to call the position after 9.Be3 a draw.
White's score is pretty good(57.2% vs 57.3% after 8.d5). In the database we see people like Tkachiev, Mamedyarov, Jobava and Wang Hao losing with the black pieces.
Aronian has even lost it with the white pieces!
Most of these games were rapids but if GMs can lose it, then I'm pretty sure that at my <2200 level I can too:)


No, it's not harsh to call it a draw. Black equalizes, and when he does there's nothing left. I repeat - white is hoping black doesn't know the theory to whatever sideline he chooses. If he does, he gets nothing in the purest sense of the term "nothing".

Under 2200 OTB just about anything is playable. It doesn't make the objective merits of the positions good.

I don't like statistics much, either. Misleading to the say the least.

@Pantu:

1.Nf3 g6 should be met with 2.e4 and heading towards a Bind if possible. The Bind forms the backbone of 1.Nf3 repertoires to a pretty significant extent (Symmetrical English, Modern, and KID can all transpose to it).

As for why white may play the pure Symmetrical - 1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.e3 doesn't lead to as easy an edge as it used to be thought. As a recent Aronian game attests white is better, and I have a novelty in mind for black's other critical continuation, but the resulting positions can be quite complex and sharp.

That said, Fischer's Defense isn't the end of the world, so... white has options if he's playing for the full point. That is all.
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Re: Yugoslav with 8.dxc5
Reply #4 - 10/02/12 at 18:01:09
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I think it's a little harsh to call the position after 9.Be3 a draw.
White's score is pretty good(57.2% vs 57.3% after 8.d5). In the database we see people like Tkachiev, Mamedyarov, Jobava and Wang Hao losing with the black pieces.
Aronian has even lost it with the white pieces!
Most of these games were rapids but if GMs can lose it, then I'm pretty sure that at my <2200 level I can too:)
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Re: Yugoslav with 8.dxc5
Reply #3 - 10/02/12 at 17:19:37
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gewgaw wrote on 02/27/11 at 19:38:09:
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 c5 4. g3 Bg7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O d6 7. Nc3 Nc6

Who knows a good source to this line? Actually I don´t wanna play 8.d5, because I don´t play against the KID this way. What about 8.dc5 dc5 9.Be3 ? It seems Avrukh doesn´t cover this line in his Vol. 2.



8.dxc5 dxc5 9.Be3 is the equivalent of hope chess (I hope my opponent has never seen this before, otherwise this is a draw).

Enter the Yugoslav proper with 8.d5. There are promising ways to handle the white side, the general pessimism surrounding his cause lately be damned. It also simplifies what white needs to know should he face a Panno via a Fianchetto KID move order.

I was surprised to find the Yugoslav's theoretical reputation is grossly exaggerated.

Maybe in some kind of addendum I'll release my analysis on that and the aforementioned Fischer's Defense.

As things stand right now, they're not the repertoire choice for the book, but I can guarantee Fianchetto KID advocates would be licking their chops over something new for white in the Yugoslav.

(Strong language, yes I know, but this is serious)
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Re: Yugoslav with 8.dxc5
Reply #2 - 03/01/11 at 19:59:34
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kylemeister wrote on 02/28/11 at 21:46:39:
Well, of course you can find something about it in non-repertoire books like ECO and Janjgava.  Way back in '99, NCO (Nunn) thought 9. Be3 should lead to an edge for White.


ah, thx! I just remember I´ve the NCO in my library:
NCO p-500/501 (notes)
I) 9.Be3! Be6 10.Qa4 Nd4 11.Rad1 +/-
II) 9.Be3! Qa5 10.Qb3! yields to a slight advantage.

p.s.
to II) I´´d prefer 10.Qa4, because 10. ...Ng4 looks like a plausible move, but black gets under pressure after 11.Qa5 Na5 12.Bc5 Nc4 13.Nd5 or Tac1
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Re: Yugoslav with 8.dxc5
Reply #1 - 02/28/11 at 21:46:39
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Well, of course you can find something about it in non-repertoire books like ECO and Janjgava.  Way back in '99, NCO (Nunn) thought 9. Be3 should lead to an edge for White.
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Yugoslav with 8.dxc5
02/27/11 at 19:38:09
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1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 c5 4. g3 Bg7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O d6 7. Nc3 Nc6

Who knows a good source to this line? Actually I don´t wanna play 8.d5, because I don´t play against the KID this way. What about 8.dc5 dc5 9.Be3 ? It seems Avrukh doesn´t cover this line in his Vol. 2.

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