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Re: Funny thing about Petroff
Reply #4 - 04/03/11 at 11:29:18
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Spassky often used this to go and play Tennis with a quick draw.

I think Karpov once beat Timman with this line as Black !
  
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Reply #3 - 04/02/11 at 19:05:05
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Spassky must have thought that this is one of whites best options. This was his standard reply to the petroff.
  
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Re: Funny thing about Petroff
Reply #2 - 04/02/11 at 17:20:12
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My first ever chess book has been Alekhine's "Hypermodern chess". It features the game Lasker-Teichmann, Cambridge springs 1904. Alekhine comments on the opening are similarly outdated:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 "it's foundamentally illogical for black to keep the simmetry, as he will always find himself a tempo down in his counterattack" 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Qe2! "the most energic move. Instead d4, recommended by Capablanca, leaves black with more freedom of action." Qe7 6. d3 Nf6 7. Bg5! "another energic move which gains a tempo"

On the basis of this the first time ever someone played the petroff against me i looked at him shocked. How can you make such a silly move?  Grin

There is an article on this variation on the kenilworth chess club website. I sometimes play this and i think it's true that at a low level of play white position is nice to play.
  
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Reply #1 - 04/02/11 at 16:08:02
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In the times of Capablanca the Petroff was a winning try for Black, so maybe he was happy to steer the game to an ending, and perhaps d3/Qe2 was best for his play.
 
That being said, this line is still a good winning try (for White) in OTB games for normal players. In super-GM games it is drawish because White can't make it complex enough to overcome their fellow 2700 technique, but this doesn't transpose to Opens. Here Black is usually weaker than White (as the Petroff contains a draw offer in the 3.d4 and Nxf7 line) so it makes sense for White to play an ending with many pieces. Perhaps somebody with a database will care to check the current performance and W/B Elo difference in the Qe2 line, e.g. by slides of 200 elo ? My guess is that White outperforms Black in the lower slides.

I also seem to remember that White need not exchange queens (e.g. with quick Be3/Be6, and also with some Qe2-Qd1 trick that was popular 10+ years ago). There's a big Petroff thread about an upcoming book in which authors will try to avoid the Nxf7 drawing line (presumably with the risky ...Bd6 instead of ...Nd7). If they succeed that would renew interest in the Petroff at all levels (other than just mimicing super-GMs and their special needs), but then, the book is not "Winning with the Petroff".
  
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C42-C43: Funny thing about Petroff
04/02/11 at 14:14:40
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To increase my endgame skills I have started to read "Capablancas chess endings". I have now come to games 26, a Petroff game. The annotations of Qe2 seems very funny in my view, stating that Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Qe2 i s white best move in the position (since Capablanca played it?). Capablancas was white an won but in my vien the position looks terrible dull.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6
4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Qe2 {Introduced by Morphy (at the age of 13!) in this his first
encounter with a master (Lowental) and played succuessfully in the games
Capablanca- Marshall and Lasker Marshall at St Petersburg in 1914, this move i
stronger than 5 d2d4 or 5 Nb1c3. It leeds to an exchange of Queens and a
simplified position, but Capablancas opponents never had an easy time of in a
simplified position} Qe7 6. d3 Nf6 7. Bg5 {
etc, see J. R. Capablanca - B. Kostics 1919} *
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