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Re: New member registration
Reply #22 - 03/03/17 at 10:46:13
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 11/20/13 at 13:47:56:
I've just stopped new registrations again


... and once again, as I was getting tried of removing spam! Angry If anyone does want to register they will have to email us.
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #21 - 11/20/13 at 13:47:56
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I've just stopped new registrations again as the server hosts shut down the Forum because of too much activity - as far as I can see there was nothing out-of-the-ordinary, but just more visitors (probably due to the World Champ match). Roll Eyes
I may have to look for another host if this happens again, but in the meantime anyone can email ChessPublishing support if they want an account.
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #20 - 11/01/11 at 23:28:21
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I've just stopped new member registration for a while as it was becoming too much work sifting through all the applications. Angry I'm only going to accept new members who are also subscribers for a while, just email support with your chesspublishing details and preferred Forum username.
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #19 - 10/01/11 at 20:49:42
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I will have a look next week to the forum code in order to fix the problem as easy as possible (with a basic code).

I will inform you of the advances by MP.
  

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Reply #18 - 10/01/11 at 12:37:31
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Fausto Alava-Moreno wrote on 10/01/11 at 05:07:26:
I can spend 15 minutes in order to code it, if you need it.

I am loathe to make too many changes to the coding of the Forum software, but if you are really expert on the YaBB coding then please go ahead. Smiley
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #17 - 10/01/11 at 05:07:26
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Let say you put an image of one main opening structure.

May be Sicilian Defense. (1.e4 c5)

And the subscriber should select the correct name in one list of 4 or 5 diferent options.

If they select the correct one, the subscription should be automatic, with a little coding.

I can spend 15 minutes in order to code it, if you need it.
  

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Re: New member registration
Reply #16 - 09/30/11 at 13:59:22
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/30/11 at 10:48:16:
Fausto Alava-Moreno wrote on 09/30/11 at 07:50:18:
What about to put a simple opening position in order to name it.

Actually, the problem is not the bots being able to sneak through the controls, the problem is that there are so many requests every day. As soon as I see the user-names I can delete them, I don't even have to bother seeing what they've written.
If there is any doubt then I look at their reason for registering, which is just a string of random characters nine times out of ten! Roll Eyes
I could ask the potential subscribers to name a position, say, but then I would have to look at the answer anyway, unless it was somehow automated, but then we are talking serious coding.


Is there no way to filter away the ones giving the wrong answer or automatically register those who provide the right answer?

The benefit of using a chess problem is that it narrows the right answer to e.g. "f7" or "f6-f7" - provided you give "1." in the reply box and make sure the solution is a pawn move, there's hardly any other way to express the solution.
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #15 - 09/30/11 at 10:48:16
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Fausto Alava-Moreno wrote on 09/30/11 at 07:50:18:
What about to put a simple opening position in order to name it.

Actually, the problem is not the bots being able to sneak through the controls, the problem is that there are so many requests every day. As soon as I see the user-names I can delete them, I don't even have to bother seeing what they've written.
If there is any doubt then I look at their reason for registering, which is just a string of random characters nine times out of ten! Roll Eyes
I could ask the potential subscribers to name a position, say, but then I would have to look at the answer anyway, unless it was somehow automated, but then we are talking serious coding.
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #14 - 09/30/11 at 08:11:22
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Fausto Alava-Moreno wrote on 09/30/11 at 07:50:18:
What about to put a simple opening position in order to name it.

Something generic like Queen Gambit or Spanish Game.

Well, that's a good idea! ChessPub is known for its openings research after all.
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #13 - 09/30/11 at 08:04:56
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/30/11 at 00:39:22:
Markovich wrote on 09/29/11 at 14:42:30:
Build a library of 1,000 chess tactics and show one randomly. Make form submission conditional on solving it.

Hmm, I already have an enormous library of tactics on my improveyourchess.com site, but I'm not sure all the subscribers would be capable of solving many of the tactics! Roll Eyes


Just one test position would probably suffice...
  
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Reply #12 - 09/30/11 at 07:50:18
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What about to put a simple opening position in order to name it.

Something generic like Queen Gambit or Spanish Game.
  

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Re: New member registration
Reply #11 - 09/30/11 at 07:50:11
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Maybe it's possible to take low rated problems from chesstempo.com (950 - 1200) and exchange links. Both are chess sites for people wanting to improve. Both cover a different topic. So there should be a chance of synergy.
  

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Re: New member registration
Reply #10 - 09/30/11 at 00:39:22
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Markovich wrote on 09/29/11 at 14:42:30:
Build a library of 1,000 chess tactics and show one randomly. Make form submission conditional on solving it.

Hmm, I already have an enormous library of tactics on my improveyourchess.com site, but I'm not sure all the subscribers would be capable of solving many of the tactics! Roll Eyes
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #9 - 09/29/11 at 14:42:30
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/28/11 at 17:20:49:
This seems to be a real problem for all Forums these days, the bots have software that works out what the captcha is, I've made it stronger but it probably won't have any effect on the machines ... but will annoy genuine users! Roll Eyes


Build a library of 1,000 chess tactics and show one randomly. Make form submission conditional on solving it. 

For the highly paranoid, best would be if the diagram is a single .gif or .png file, since it would then be very hard for software to figure out the chess position.

Hmm.  I'm building a website of my own, and I may use this idea.
  

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This seems to be a real problem for all Forums these days, the bots have software that works out what the captcha is, I've made it stronger but it probably won't have any effect on the machines ... but will annoy genuine users! Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #7 - 09/28/11 at 06:43:55
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It's not just bots which are being turned away at the door. It's bots and trolls.
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #6 - 09/27/11 at 14:34:36
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Tony, a capture is a must nowadays. It's as simple as that. But unfortunately even simple captures are hardly able to keep bots away nowadays.

I hope you don't mind me mentioning this ... checking everybody is not something you (personally) should be spending your time on, IMHO. Either outsource this, via Elance for example, to some guy in India who will be happy to earn 10 bucks extra per week.
Or find somebody who is willing to do it for free in exchange for a ChessPub subscription. That's the only currency you can print in unlimited numbers. Wink


An idea:
Instead of asking for a reason, ask for something a bot cannot know:
Ask a long question and have the answer be a specific chess term, for example the German word "Zugzwang", or "Zeitnot" / "time trouble". That's impossible to guess for a bot without human help. Or ask "Who is the most famous American world champion?"
In any case the answer is short and easy to process.


Maybe a reversal of process would also be better. I'm a mod in another forum. We let everybody in who proves his intelligence by getting past the capture. The software generates a page with the latest registrations. Here everybody is assessed by hand. People with suspicuous usernames or obviously faked profiles are killed immediately, without warning or communication. The (custom coded) sub-page allows to instaban all marked accounts with one mouseclick.
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #5 - 09/03/11 at 20:56:26
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TalJechin wrote on 09/03/11 at 11:27:46:
Why not use some form of "human verification"? For example: http://captcha2.com/

I have to use the tools that come with the Forum, it is just that there are so many bots trying to become members at the moment that going through all the requests (40+ today) is becoming time-consuming.
It is easy enough to see who is serious, and I've accepted people who have simply written 'Chess' so it is not too difficult for humans to get through my verification procedure! Huh

Zwischenzugzwang wrote on 09/03/11 at 13:24:42:
(i) Was my initial registration attempt already "enough", and there was just some delay caused by whatever reason

Yes, of course, I was away from home for a week and was just unable to get to an internet connection and so there was a slight build-up of requests. Roll Eyes
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #4 - 09/03/11 at 13:24:42
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/14/11 at 18:57:38:
Please, anyone who wants to become a member of the Forum will have to give a decent reason why from now on, or risk instant rejection! Sorry about this but taking a few extra seconds to write something worthwhile shouldn't be too hard. Wink


Dear Tony,

when I tried to register about 3 months ago, I was feeling somehow uncomfortable with that task mentioned in the quote, because I didn't really know what was expected from me. So I wrote something short and more general about interest in chess openings, and was then waiting for a reply, which was announced for one or two days later. After I hadn't heared from CP for six days, I wrote a sort of "SOS"-e-mail, where I repeated an answer to that particular question, this time more elaborated. Immediately after that I got access.
So I'm still not sure: (i) Was my initial registration attempt already "enough", and there was just some delay caused by whatever reason, or (ii) was it in fact only my second attempt that succeeded?

If case (i) is true, then it would be helpful for the "candidate" to receive some message like "Due to technical problems, we are unable at the moment to answer your request, you will get notification in a few days ..." in case of a delay.

But if case (ii) is true, then CP should be a little bit more specific what sort of answer is expected and that it's not enough to write something like "I know how to play chess. Interest in openings. Tony is a great guy." ( Smiley)

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Reply #3 - 09/03/11 at 11:27:46
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Why not use some form of "human verification"? For example: http://captcha2.com/

It's free if presented less than 1000 times a month http://captcha2.com/terms.html
  
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Reply #2 - 09/03/11 at 10:29:49
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We're receiving an awful lot of requests from bots at the moment which means that it is also a good idea to provide a sensible username - as at the moment I'm having to reject random-looking usernames without even seeing the reason for registering! Roll Eyes
  
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Re: New member registration
Reply #1 - 06/01/11 at 20:49:23
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/14/11 at 18:57:38:
Please, anyone who wants to become a member of the Forum will have to give a decent reason why from now on, or risk instant rejection!

Mentioning Chess and/or Openings is also a good idea to avoid generic Spambots' standard reasons for joining Forums! Roll Eyes
  
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To avoid spamming, but also people who register just to annoy someone else, I have made it significantly harder to register. Cry
Please, anyone who wants to become a member of the Forum will have to give a decent reason why from now on, or risk instant rejection! Sorry about this but taking a few extra seconds to write something worthwhile shouldn't be too hard. Wink
  
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