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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #17 - 05/07/11 at 23:51:57
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cynima wrote on 04/28/11 at 14:48:00:

I really like playing against 5.Bd2, Watson has done a very good chapter on it (5. ...Nh6!?) and his analysis about the Chess Openings for White explained book are also very good.
If you think 5.Bd2 is that dangerous than well, improve his analysis


No incentive really since in all my years playing experience nobody has ever played this ...Nh6 line and I've never felt inclined to myself either. If you believe in it then by all means go ahead, I admire your confidence.
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #16 - 05/01/11 at 09:05:53
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And talking of solid, here's Psahkis on 5.. Nc6, at the time he wrote his book 'undoubtedly the most widespread alternative' (to 5.. Ne7).

6 Nb5 BxB+ 7 QxB Nxd4 8 NxN cd 9 Nf3 (f4!?) Ne7 10 Qxd4 Nc6 11 Qe3!? Qa5+!? 12 c3 (Qd2 QxQ+ =) d4 14 Nxd4 Qxe5. Dull but maybe rather efficient/safe.
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #15 - 04/30/11 at 22:10:06
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Glenn Snow wrote on 04/30/11 at 21:57:19:
ericmittens wrote on 04/20/11 at 11:51:08:
Yes, Moskalenko advocates the Nh6 line for black. He includes Watson's analysis on TWIC, with some additions of his own.


I'm not sure if he changed his mind or just wanted to cover a different system in The Wonder Winawer, but in his The Flexible French he advocated 5...cxd4!? (after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.Bd2) 6.Nb5 Bc5(!).

At least the systems are very different. With 5...cxd4 Black seems to be happy with solid equality, so it's nice for aggressive Winawer players to have an alternative that gives more winning chances (5...Nh6).
  

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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #14 - 04/30/11 at 21:57:19
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ericmittens wrote on 04/20/11 at 11:51:08:
Yes, Moskalenko advocates the Nh6 line for black. He includes Watson's analysis on TWIC, with some additions of his own.


I'm not sure if he changed his mind or just wanted to cover a different system in The Wonder Winawer, but in his The Flexible French he advocated 5...cxd4!? (after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.Bd2) 6.Nb5 Bc5(!).
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #13 - 04/29/11 at 08:43:27
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I suppose the attack is going zith something like this:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.Bd2 Ne7 6.Nb5 Bxd2+ 7.Qxd2 oo 8.f4 a6 9.Nd6 cxd4 10.Nf3 Nbc6 11.Bd3 f6 12.oo Bd7 13.Qe1 

and if 13...Nc8 14.Nxb7 Qb6 15.Qh4 h6 16.exf6 Rxf6 17.g4 Qxb7 18.g5 Rf7 19.gxh6 Nd6 20.Ng5
  

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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #12 - 04/28/11 at 14:48:00
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Keano wrote on 04/21/11 at 12:50:22:
This line is quite dangerous and under-rated by Watson (ignore his ridiculous over the top review of Dzindzi, quite sure there must be some history between them).


I really like playing against 5.Bd2, Watson has done a very good chapter on it (5. ...Nh6!?) and his analysis about the Chess Openings for White explained book are also very good.
If you think 5.Bd2 is that dangerous than well, improve his analysis
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #11 - 04/21/11 at 12:50:22
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This line is quite dangerous and under-rated by Watson (ignore his ridiculous over the top review of Dzindzi, quite sure there must be some history between them).
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #10 - 04/20/11 at 18:37:03
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Thanks for the recommendations, everyone.
  

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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #9 - 04/20/11 at 15:03:04
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Ok Smiley Love the contempt there: "Objectively, this seems one of the worst of White's standard alternatives to 5a3"!

I must admit the one time I faced this I went Nc6 x d4, liquidating the b5 knight (as black has to do in the 5 a3 Ba5 6 Bd2 line) which should I suppose be safe but dull when compared to 5..Nh6 and friends.
(Psakhis good on such 'dull' ways to neutralise some of whites side lines.).

Although I did subsequently proceed to totally thrash a markedly stronger player. Who then got some rather drastic revenge next time out via the main line. A moral there perhaps Smiley
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #8 - 04/20/11 at 13:31:16
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MartinC wrote on 04/20/11 at 09:40:31:
I'm not sure but its probably not even covered so well on Chess pub

"Probably"? Look at John Watson's April update! Wink
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #7 - 04/20/11 at 11:51:08
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Yes, Moskalenko advocates the Nh6 line for black. He includes Watson's analysis on TWIC, with some additions of his own.
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #6 - 04/20/11 at 11:34:16
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I am not at home right now (where I have the book) but what about the Wonderful Winaver, does it contain anything useful?
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #5 - 04/20/11 at 10:40:14
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kylemeister wrote on 04/20/11 at 03:22:05:


Even after I read this review I have struggled against the 5.Bd2 line in blitz (my usual choice is 5...Nh6!?).

My impression is that Black is theoretically OK and maybe even White has to be careful, but only if Black knows some pretty concrete theory.

If both sides are out swimming (as I often am in online blitz games) I still think it's much easier to play White. It's also perfectly possible to try to do some analysis and improve on Watson, so I wouldn't discount this Dzindzi line just yet. If all else fails White can also meet either 5...Ne7 or 5...Nh6 with 6.a3 Bxc3 7.Bxc3, but that's very different of course.

Psakhis' chapter on 5.Bd2 was good, though now slightly out of date. If someone has studied the lines in Watson (Play the French 3), Dzindzichashvili/Perelshteyn (Chess Openings for White, Explained) and Watson (the above review) I don't think s/he needs Psahkis. For ICC subsrcribers Perelshteyn also did a video or two where he summarized their 5.Bd2 lines.
  

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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #4 - 04/20/11 at 09:40:31
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Seems the best way. I'm not sure but its probably not even covered so well on Chess pub because its just not that topical/used in high level play.

I would say that its a fair way from the most interesting thing that white can choose vs the Winaver. Reasonably safe too mind.
  
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Re: Where to find info on e5 and Bd2 against Winawer?
Reply #3 - 04/20/11 at 09:33:40
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So the OP rather should stay away from this source of info. Btw my impression of DPA's treatment of the Caro-Kann was exactly the same.
Rather buy Psachis' book on the Winawer. He has a chapter on it. It's a bit outdated, but theory in this line doesn't develop that fast.
  

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