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Templare2 Full Member Offline Mess with the best, die like the rest Posts: 146 Joined: 08/23/06 Gender:	Re: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 Move order issues Reply #6 - 05/16/11 at 20:57:04	Post Tools	Print Post
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nimzo5 Junior Member Offline d4! Posts: 92 Location: USA Joined: 09/06/09 Gender:	Re: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 Move order issues Reply #5 - 05/05/11 at 21:05:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think the real issue with the Smith Morra setup from an early g6 position is that Black has to work hard to keep finding useful moves whereas White seems to be able to delay the recapture on d4 with Bc4 etc.

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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 Move order issues Reply #4 - 05/03/11 at 13:43:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Highfive wrote on 05/03/11 at 05:09:58: The finegold defense does involve an a6 , which I usually play around move 8. The O ' Kelly seems like an interesting choice; Thanks for the idea. Something which your idea brought up I am now thinking about what if they employ the move order 1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. c3? What then? If you meet 3.c3 with 3...Bg7 4.d4 cd4 5.cd4 d5, then simply 4...Bg7 is the most practical option, with a direct transposition. If you meet 3.c3 with 3...d5 4.ed5 Qd5 then 4...d5 could be considered, though I'm not sure if 5.Qd4 or 5.e5 are dangerous then. Otherwise MNb's suggestion is pretty easy to play.

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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 Move order issues Reply #3 - 05/03/11 at 13:05:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	You might consider 4...d3. The Knight on f3 deprives White of a few dangerous options.
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Highfive YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 29 Joined: 08/21/09	Re: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 Move order issues Reply #2 - 05/03/11 at 05:09:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	The finegold defense does involve an a6 , which I usually play around move 8. The O ' Kelly seems like an interesting choice; Thanks for the idea. Something which your idea brought up I am now thinking about what if they employ the move order 1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. c3? What then?


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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3276 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 Move order issues Reply #1 - 05/01/11 at 20:48:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	The Finegold defence to the Morra involves an early ...a6, doesn't it? If so, you can play 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 a6! and now 4.Nxd4 e5 transposes to the O'Kelly Sicilian, and a line where Black is already at least equal. Compared to the Sveshnikov or Kalashnikov White doesn't have b5 for the knight. This was covered in Dangerous Weapons: The Sicilian a.o. For this reason the O'Kelly 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 a6 is the one second move where 3.d4 is never recommeded (unless White transposes to the Morra). Every repertoire book I've seen gives 3.c4 or 3.c3 instead.

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Highfive YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 29 Joined: 08/21/09	1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 Move order issues 05/01/11 at 20:36:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 If white plays both the open sicilian and the morra, can he freely choose the one or the other no matter black's reply on move 3? Is there some drawback to this move order? I play the accelerated dragon against the open but against the SM gambit I adopt a schevenigen (or however you spell it) style setup and play the fine gold defense. But this move order is worrying me because if I play 3. ..Nc6 or 3....g6 then my opponent can play 4. c3 going into the gambit when I don't know what I'm doing. Otherwise if I try to play d6 or e6 then he can continue Nxd4 and I am not going to be playing the accelerated anymore. Any ideas?


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