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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #12 - 05/25/11 at 08:18:04
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Kowl wrote on 05/22/11 at 17:44:04:
If it were 'obvious' I wouldn't have posted the question, but thanks for taking the time to reply in any case.

The reason for my original post was that as black I was looking for a way of exploiting white not playing 6.c3 but after say 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.Bc4 I think white is playing with a small plus.

The main reason is that 6.c3 is basically the only move that allows for a sensible wait. The problem as pointed out is that Nf3 is usually answered with Bg4. After 6.c3 there is "no" way  to develop and be able to answer 7.Nf3 with 7..Bg4 without losing tempi.
  

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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #11 - 05/22/11 at 18:07:47
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Kowl wrote on 05/22/11 at 17:44:04:
The reason for my original post was that as black I was looking for a way of exploiting white not playing 6.c3 but after say 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.Bc4 I think white is playing with a small plus.


Offhand I'm not sure what White's idea would be in developing like that.  I'm reminded of some comments by Vlastimil Jansa likening the c4-bishop to a dog which is muzzled by Black's structure in such positions ...
  
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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #10 - 05/22/11 at 18:04:49
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To me, 6.c3 is clearly the most problematic move to meet. I have not yet found a method that I really trust...

Just curious... What is your solution to 6.c3?
  
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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #9 - 05/22/11 at 17:44:04
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MNb wrote on 05/21/11 at 15:29:37:
It's obvious why 6.c3, isn't it? Black's typical plan is to castle Queenside and head for e7-e5. With 6.c3 White bolsters the central pawn and prepares for a pawnstorm on the Queen's Wing. So the question should be: why c2-c3 on the 6th move? Well, if White wants to play it anyway it's nice to postpone his/her plan of development for yet another move. Depending on Black's reaction White still might chose a setup with Bc4 or with Bf4 instead of a Kingside Fianchetto.
So 6.c3 is both useful and flexible.


If it were 'obvious' I wouldn't have posted the question, but thanks for taking the time to reply in any case.

The reason for my original post was that as black I was looking for a way of exploiting white not playing 6.c3 but after say 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.Bc4 I think white is playing with a small plus.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #8 - 05/21/11 at 21:46:34
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c3 is for playing the g3-Bg2 line, as the immediate g3 or Nf3 run into problems (g3 Qd5, Nf3 Bg4). However, I don't know if c3 is useful with other setups.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #7 - 05/21/11 at 16:07:19
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I know of the line but not of who originated it; Larsen certainly sounds plausible.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #6 - 05/21/11 at 15:40:58
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Wasn't it Larsen who showed that Black can answer x.h4 with h5, castle Queenside and sac pawn h5?
  

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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #5 - 05/21/11 at 15:37:59
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6. c3 is also suited to meeting ...Bf5 with Ne2-g3 plus h4 etc., though that doesn't seem to be as common as it once was.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #4 - 05/21/11 at 15:29:37
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It's obvious why 6.c3, isn't it? Black's typical plan is to castle Queenside and head for e7-e5. With 6.c3 White bolsters the central pawn and prepares for a pawnstorm on the Queen's Wing. So the question should be: why c2-c3 on the 6th move? Well, if White wants to play it anyway it's nice to postpone his/her plan of development for yet another move. Depending on Black's reaction White still might chose a setup with Bc4 or with Bf4 instead of a Kingside Fianchetto.
So 6.c3 is both useful and flexible.
  

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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #3 - 05/21/11 at 15:11:43
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I've always preferred 6.Nf3, not fearing Bg4.

I do think Bg4 is black's best, but after Be2, 0-0 and h3 white holds a stable advantage.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #2 - 05/21/11 at 13:09:56
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AlanG wrote on 05/21/11 at 12:59:13:
Did you really mean 6.Bd3?


No. meant 6.Bc4 but that's what happens when you type a post quickly i guess  Embarrassed
  
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Re: Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
Reply #1 - 05/21/11 at 12:59:13
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6.Nf3 is also played, but allows 6...Bg4. So it's more accurate to play 6.c3 instead and wait for Black to play ...Bf5 before playing Nf3.

6.g3 is probably premature. 6...Qd5 seems to be quite good for Black.

Did you really mean 6.Bd3?
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Caro-Kann / Bronstein-Larsen 6.c3!?
05/21/11 at 11:47:34
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Hi gents,

I'm hoping somebody can help me with this... Why does theory play 6.c3 in the Bronstein-Larsen? I understand it protects d4 but I can see no way of black exploiting white not playing 6.c3 and instead playing something more developing.

For those who have no idea what I'm talking about, the variation is:

1.e4 c6 2,d4 d5 3.Nc3 cxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6 gxf6 6.c3!?

I've done a lot of work on black's 6th reply to c3 but I can't see anyone who doesn't know the B-L theory playing it as moves such as 6.Nf3, 6.g3, 6.Bd3 etc. seem far more natural.

Why is 6.c3 regarded as more critical than the alternatives?

many thanks!
  
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