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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #6 - 05/26/11 at 11:22:19
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MNb wrote on 05/26/11 at 09:59:57:
The second arises after 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Bf4 Nf6 6.Nd2, which again is not the best line in a variation that is generally thought quite non-critical.
You get the transpositions now?

I think this line is playable for White. He isn't playing for a theoretical advantage probably, but you can't expect that with such a tame opening as the London, and with Black not even committed to ...e6 yet!
  

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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #5 - 05/26/11 at 09:59:57
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Dear adult from the Northpole, can you read?

As I wrote in my previous post:
After 5.Nd2 and 5.Be2 Black just plays cxd4, if there is nothing more ambitious. Then White can chose between a lame Slav Exchange and a lame Caro-Kann Exchange.

To spell it out for you: the first arises after 6.cxd4. Now who in the world after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Bf4 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 plays 6.Nd2 ?
The second arises after 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Bf4 Nf6 6.Nd2, which again is not the best line in a variation that is generally thought quite non-critical.
You get the transpositions now?
  

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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #4 - 05/26/11 at 04:30:56
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MNb wrote on 05/26/11 at 02:23:15:
4...Nc6 and I don't see anything better than 5.Nf3 Bg4. This is a QGD with colours reversed and the bad bishop already developed, but it looks like it's not well placed on f4. There is also 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Qb3 c4 7.Qc2 and now Bf5 is possible indeed.
Note that even after 5.Bd3 Black can play Bg4.
After 5.Nd2 and 5.Be2 Black just plays cxd4, if there is nothing more ambitious. Then White can chose between a lame Slav Exchange and a lame Caro-Kann Exchange. Yippee.
So the 2.Bf4 move order doesn't solve that much.


Wow Mnb are u serious?
2.Bf4 does solve a lot. 5.Nd2 and if 5...Qb6 6.Qb3.
The whole point is that you avoid 5.Nf3 when playing 2.Bf4
So that anti-london setup doesnt work as well now.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
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4...Nc6 and I don't see anything better than 5.Nf3 Bg4. This is a QGD with colours reversed and the bad bishop already developed, but it looks like it's not well placed on f4. There is also 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Qb3 c4 7.Qc2 and now Bf5 is possible indeed.
Note that even after 5.Bd3 Black can play Bg4.
After 5.Nd2 and 5.Be2 Black just plays cxd4, if there is nothing more ambitious. Then White can chose between a lame Slav Exchange and a lame Caro-Kann Exchange. Yippee.
So the 2.Bf4 move order doesn't solve that much.
  

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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #2 - 05/26/11 at 01:20:42
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MNb wrote on 05/25/11 at 20:18:41:
Best setup is possibly 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5 4.e3 Nc6.
My favourite is the Dutch. The antisymmetrical pawn structure makes sure Black gets a dynamic game. So if you happen to play the Pirc as well you may try 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Bf4 Bg7 4.e3 f5.


Agreed, but White can take some of the sting out of this setup with a 2.Bf4 move order: 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 Nf6 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Qb6 5.Qb3 c4 6.Qc2 and now 6...Bf5 is not possible. Nonetheless, White is not better here.
  

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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #1 - 05/25/11 at 20:18:41
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Best setup is possibly 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5 4.e3 Nc6.
My favourite is the Dutch. The antisymmetrical pawn structure makes sure Black gets a dynamic game. So if you happen to play the Pirc as well you may try 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Bf4 Bg7 4.e3 f5.
  

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Best Setup Against the London System?
05/25/11 at 19:31:21
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What's the best setup against the London System? I don't have much experience against it. I've played around with the KID (one of my opening repertoire) setup and the ...Nf6, e6, c5, Qb6, hitting on b2 idea, but it seems that white can just play a dull game with c3 vs. e3, and meet ...Qb6 with Qb3.
  
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