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Reply #36 - 07/26/12 at 09:39:10
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Pantu wrote on 07/26/12 at 09:29:41:
My understanding is that 1 d4 Nf6 2 Bf4 c5 3 d5 Qb6 is considered a little unpleasant for the average London player (although perfectly viable, and 4 Nc3 Qxb2 5 Bd2 transposes to a Tromp position).


Thanks. I had wondered if White might simply play 4.Bc1 and ask what the queen was doing on b6.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #35 - 07/26/12 at 09:29:41
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My understanding is that 1 d4 Nf6 2 Bf4 c5 3 d5 Qb6 is considered a little unpleasant for the average London player (although perfectly viable, and 4 Nc3 Qxb2 5 Bd2 transposes to a Tromp position).

1 d4 Nf5 2 Nf3 d5! 3 Bf4 allows 3...c5 4 e3 Nc6 5 c3 Qb6 6 Qc2 Bf5 7 Qc1 which is at least equal for black.  1 d4 d5 2 Bf4 Nf6 3 e3 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nd2 is the point of 2 Bf4 which avoids this.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #34 - 07/26/12 at 08:12:57
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RdC wrote on 07/25/12 at 19:36:15:
The update on the chesspublishing.com site contains lines where White delays Nf3.


Looking at the page I see references to 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4, but not, apparently, 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #33 - 07/25/12 at 19:36:15
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The update on the chesspublishing.com site contains lines where White delays Nf3. If you never see it in games, it demonstrates that most players of the London system don't follow theory and are content with the same set up in every single game.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #32 - 07/25/12 at 10:06:39
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I don't really know anything about the London System so maybe this is a good place to ask this question.

I never seem to come across the move order 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4.  Is there any particular reason for this?
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #31 - 06/30/12 at 16:04:14
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/25/12 at 18:02:25:
Why, isn't the 7th June 2012 sufficiently recent?

Latest update is June 30th now, with 14 new games added! Smiley

Hadron wrote on 06/27/12 at 21:45:13:
what about 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bf4 Nh5 as mentioned in SOS 13  by Dimitri Reinderman?

Why does no-one play 4. Be3 here?
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #30 - 06/27/12 at 21:45:13
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I don't know if it has been mentioned at all but what about 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bf4 Nh5 as mentioned in SOS 13  by Dimitri Reinderman? I have used the purer form of this, 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 Nh5, to some good effect against far stronger players than me.....
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #29 - 06/25/12 at 18:02:25
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saubhikr wrote on 06/25/12 at 02:52:35:
Any plan for another update to London eBook?

Why, isn't the 7th June 2012 sufficiently recent? Trying refreshing the download page the next time, you may have an older version in your cache. Wink
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #28 - 06/25/12 at 02:52:35
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Any plan for another update to London eBook?

Thanks
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #27 - 11/24/11 at 13:00:23
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I'm just preparing Eric's November update and it looks like this particular KID line would be my choice for Black. Certainly if White wastes a move with h3 he gets into quite a bit of trouble.
As soon as it goes online (tonight) you should download the London playable eBook. Wink
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #26 - 11/23/11 at 22:18:31
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I agree with Kylemeister.  Picking a "best line" against the London System is a fool's errand.  The London System isn't even an opening, it's a lazy arrangement of pieces that is unlikely to lose immediately.  Anything Black does that doesn't involve transposing to a bad variation of a different opening is probably going to be fine if it develops pieces and doesn't hang them.

The Reversed QGD is one of many systems which appear to give Black at least equal chances.  The KID setup is fun too.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #25 - 11/12/11 at 11:45:22
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Buford wrote on 11/08/11 at 18:28:15:
The Prie, E. - Svetushkin, D. game does not refute the solid defense given by John Cox in Dealing with d4-deviations.

Please note that in the above game Black can't play ...15. g6, because after 16.Nxc5 gxh5 17.Nxd7 Rd8 18.Nxf6+ followed by Nxh5 White has a winning ending. However, if Black had answered the stupid looking 10.Nxd7 with the even uglier ...10.Qxd7, he would be a tempo down compared with Prie-Svetuskin. In this line Black's Bishop is safe on it's original square instead of hanging on d7 and Black now can safely exchange Queens and remain a piece up. White can draw with 16.Qg5 Qe7 17.Nf6+ Kg7 18.Nh5+ with a perpetual.

Slobodon Kovacevic-Henrik Teske, Seville, 2011 was agreed drawn after ...10.Qxd7.


And after 11.Qh5, isn't White a bit better placed on the kingside?
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
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The Prie, E. - Svetushkin, D. game does not refute the solid defense given by John Cox in Dealing with d4-deviations.

Please note that in the above game Black can't play ...15. g6, because after 16.Nxc5 gxh5 17.Nxd7 Rd8 18.Nxf6+ followed by Nxh5 White has a winning ending. However, if Black had answered the stupid looking 10.Nxd7 with the even uglier ...10.Qxd7, he would be a tempo down compared with Prie-Svetuskin. In this line Black's Bishop is safe on it's original square instead of hanging on d7 and Black now can safely exchange Queens and remain a piece up. White can draw with 16.Qg5 Qe7 17.Nf6+ Kg7 18.Nh5+ with a perpetual.

Slobodon Kovacevic-Henrik Teske, Seville, 2011 was agreed drawn after ...10.Qxd7.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #23 - 08/27/11 at 20:16:10
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Yup, that has come up here (and on ChessPublishing).  More recently it was mentioned in NIC YB, incidentally.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #22 - 08/27/11 at 19:53:25
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I just had a look at Dealing with d4-deviations. I couldn't see anything posted on this, did I miss it? Interestingly, Cox recommends Black to follow Prie-Svetushkin, but he misses White's idea. This line looks pretty sad for Black!



Since even strong players have missed this line, it is maybe not such a stupid question to ask how to play against the London?
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #21 - 08/23/11 at 10:11:07
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3...dxe4 4.d5 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Qe2!? followed by quick castling is dangerous, so 3...Nc6! looks best. This was also recommended by Knaak in CBM, his mainline continues:
4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nc3 Qxd4 6.Nd5 e5 7.Nc7+ Kd8 8.Nxa8 exf4 with an unclear position. The Na8 is probably lost, so this should be fine for Black.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #20 - 08/21/11 at 19:44:11
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Check the game of Luc Winants. 3...Nc6 looks fine.
  

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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #19 - 08/21/11 at 19:13:08
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jarr wrote on 08/21/11 at 18:04:04:
I have recently tried the following line with black (i've got it from an old CBM article):
Interesting is the gambit 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4!?, but this may not be everyones cup of tea and objectively black should be fine here too.


This is interesting and essentially an Albin-Countergambit, with an extra move for White. Haven't yet figured out in what line this move counts the least. I have actually never met this move, but saw that Lakdawala recommends it.
  
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Reply #18 - 08/21/11 at 18:04:04
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I have recently tried the following line with black (i've got it from an old CBM article):
1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.c3 Nc6 4.e3 Qb6 5.Qb3 c4 6.Qc2
now ...Bf5 like in the 2.Nf3 Nf6 Variation is not possible because White can take the Bishop. However there is the move
6...e5!? 7.dxe5 Bf5 (now it works) 8.Qc1 g5! (8...Ne7!? is also interesting)
If white takes on g5 then Nxe5 gives Black great compensation and 9.Bg3 h5 10.h3 Bg7 11.Nf3 g4 12.Nd4 Ne7 13.Nd2 Nxe5  looks already a little better for Black.
Any suggestions where white can improve?
Interesting is the gambit 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4!?, but this may not be everyones cup of tea and objectively black should be fine here too.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #17 - 07/16/11 at 05:44:58
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Apparently I'm the only one that finds the Reversed Slow Slavs interesting


No you're not.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #16 - 06/28/11 at 13:52:53
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Yelena Dembo in her "Fighting The Anti-King's Indians" recommends this setup:
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Bf4 Bg7 4. e3 d6 5. h3 O-O 6. Be2 c5 7. O-O Qb6
I regard it as a decent approach to achieve something with black against London System. Additionally, I can point at the most critical game in this variation - Denis Khismatullin - Emil Sutovsky, 1/2-1/2 Moscow 2008 which continues like this: 8. Nbd2 Be6 9. Ng5 Bd7 10. Nc4 Qc7 11. c3 h6 12. Nf3 Be6 13. Rc1 Nbd7 with = ... The reason I give this game is that I think both players played the best moves.
  
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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #15 - 06/28/11 at 03:23:18
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Kanivakil wrote on 05/25/11 at 19:31:21:
What's the best setup against the London System? I don't have much experience against it. I've played around with the KID (one of my opening repertoire) setup and the ...Nf6, e6, c5, Qb6, hitting on b2 idea, but it seems that white can just play a dull game with c3 vs. e3, and meet ...Qb6 with Qb3.


Apparently I'm the only one that finds the Reversed Slow Slavs interesting, since everybody else thinks it's "dull".

(1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. Bf4 c5 4. c3 Nc6 5. e3 Nh5!? 6. Bg5 Qb6 then h6/g5/Nxg3, or 6. Bg3 Nxg3)

Our resident London expert has a healthy opinion of it in the annotations I've seen, but maybe it isn't for everyone.
  

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Reply #14 - 06/27/11 at 21:07:35
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kylemeister wrote on 05/31/11 at 17:44:01:
I continue to wonder at these questions about the best line against opening X, when the norm is that there isn't a best line.

BTW, regarding that KID setup with ...c5 and ...Qb6, there's an old idea of ...Be6 to try to rule out Qb3.  A Kamsky-Benjamin encounter from about twenty years ago was perhaps a model game for Black.   


Ditto. I'm surprised that these repetitive inane questions continue to generate responses from seasoned forum posters, who by now should know better.

Then again I just posted here so I'm just as guilty.

Responses to D-Pawn sidelines should be closely linked to the type of positions you play against the Queen's Gambit, where ever and when ever possible. Learn refutations where they exists and when forced out of your known patterns of play, resort to sound opening principles to find reasonable moves. For example, if you never saw or came across the following sequence before as black, how would you follow up and why:

1.d4 d5  2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3

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Reply #13 - 06/15/11 at 06:56:10
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I had a nagging feeling that may be the case, i was aware of the line but hadn't analysed it and got a horrendous position in a blitz game. Maybe improvements can be found though, i'll look at that some time.
  
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Reply #12 - 06/14/11 at 15:57:36
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Oblonskij wrote on 06/14/11 at 14:35:24:
Against 2. Bf4 there's also the option to try and hoist white with his own petard and delay Nf6.

Sample line: 1. d4 d5 2. Bf4 c5 3. e3 (e4 is critical but i think it's good for black after Nc6) Nc6 4. c3 Qb6 5. Qb3 c4 6. Qc2 Bf5.

The downside is 7. Qxf5 is now possible, after ...Qxb2 8. Qxd5 Qxa1 9. Qb5.


I thought this line was very good for White, based on an old SOS game of the month article on the NIC website.
  

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Reply #11 - 06/14/11 at 14:35:24
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Against 2. Bf4 there's also the option to try and hoist white with his own petard and delay Nf6.

Sample line: 1. d4 d5 2. Bf4 c5 3. e3 (e4 is critical but i think it's good for black after Nc6) Nc6 4. c3 Qb6 5. Qb3 c4 6. Qc2 Bf5.

The downside is 7. Qxf5 is now possible, after ...Qxb2 8. Qxd5 Qxa1 9. Qb5.
  
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Reply #10 - 05/31/11 at 18:46:07
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Kanivakil wrote on 05/25/11 at 19:31:21:
What's the best setup against the London System? 

A subscription to Eric's section answers all such questions! Wink
  
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I continue to wonder at these questions about the best line against opening X, when the norm is that there isn't a best line.

BTW, regarding that KID setup with ...c5 and ...Qb6, there's an old idea of ...Be6 to try to rule out Qb3.  A Kamsky-Benjamin encounter from about twenty years ago was perhaps a model game for Black.
  
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Reply #8 - 05/31/11 at 16:42:04
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When white plays a timid set-up, I generally find that an equal, playable middle game is often beyond their abilities too.

There are of course exceptions, but for me the way forward is to reach a comfortable position as Black and then outplay my opponent. Attempts to blow white out of the water are misplaced. White's position isn't bankrupt. White has simply given up on the advantage of the first move.

After the opening, just play chess and you should win.
  
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Reply #7 - 05/26/11 at 19:12:47
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Thanks guys. You guys will probably see me ask a lot of these opening set-up questions. Thanks again. It is pretty disturbing when white plays for a timid set-up, so I just want to find a way to completely unbalance the position so that I could possibly have greater chances to outplay my opponent and perhaps win more games.
  
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Reply #6 - 05/26/11 at 11:22:19
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MNb wrote on 05/26/11 at 09:59:57:
The second arises after 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Bf4 Nf6 6.Nd2, which again is not the best line in a variation that is generally thought quite non-critical.
You get the transpositions now?

I think this line is playable for White. He isn't playing for a theoretical advantage probably, but you can't expect that with such a tame opening as the London, and with Black not even committed to ...e6 yet!
  

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Reply #5 - 05/26/11 at 09:59:57
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Dear adult from the Northpole, can you read?

As I wrote in my previous post:
After 5.Nd2 and 5.Be2 Black just plays cxd4, if there is nothing more ambitious. Then White can chose between a lame Slav Exchange and a lame Caro-Kann Exchange.

To spell it out for you: the first arises after 6.cxd4. Now who in the world after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Bf4 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 plays 6.Nd2 ?
The second arises after 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Bf4 Nf6 6.Nd2, which again is not the best line in a variation that is generally thought quite non-critical.
You get the transpositions now?
  

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MNb wrote on 05/26/11 at 02:23:15:
4...Nc6 and I don't see anything better than 5.Nf3 Bg4. This is a QGD with colours reversed and the bad bishop already developed, but it looks like it's not well placed on f4. There is also 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Qb3 c4 7.Qc2 and now Bf5 is possible indeed.
Note that even after 5.Bd3 Black can play Bg4.
After 5.Nd2 and 5.Be2 Black just plays cxd4, if there is nothing more ambitious. Then White can chose between a lame Slav Exchange and a lame Caro-Kann Exchange. Yippee.
So the 2.Bf4 move order doesn't solve that much.


Wow Mnb are u serious?
2.Bf4 does solve a lot. 5.Nd2 and if 5...Qb6 6.Qb3.
The whole point is that you avoid 5.Nf3 when playing 2.Bf4
So that anti-london setup doesnt work as well now.
  
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Reply #3 - 05/26/11 at 02:23:15
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4...Nc6 and I don't see anything better than 5.Nf3 Bg4. This is a QGD with colours reversed and the bad bishop already developed, but it looks like it's not well placed on f4. There is also 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Qb3 c4 7.Qc2 and now Bf5 is possible indeed.
Note that even after 5.Bd3 Black can play Bg4.
After 5.Nd2 and 5.Be2 Black just plays cxd4, if there is nothing more ambitious. Then White can chose between a lame Slav Exchange and a lame Caro-Kann Exchange. Yippee.
So the 2.Bf4 move order doesn't solve that much.
  

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Reply #2 - 05/26/11 at 01:20:42
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MNb wrote on 05/25/11 at 20:18:41:
Best setup is possibly 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5 4.e3 Nc6.
My favourite is the Dutch. The antisymmetrical pawn structure makes sure Black gets a dynamic game. So if you happen to play the Pirc as well you may try 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Bf4 Bg7 4.e3 f5.


Agreed, but White can take some of the sting out of this setup with a 2.Bf4 move order: 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 Nf6 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Qb6 5.Qb3 c4 6.Qc2 and now 6...Bf5 is not possible. Nonetheless, White is not better here.
  

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Re: Best Setup Against the London System?
Reply #1 - 05/25/11 at 20:18:41
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Best setup is possibly 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5 4.e3 Nc6.
My favourite is the Dutch. The antisymmetrical pawn structure makes sure Black gets a dynamic game. So if you happen to play the Pirc as well you may try 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Bf4 Bg7 4.e3 f5.
  

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Best Setup Against the London System?
05/25/11 at 19:31:21
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What's the best setup against the London System? I don't have much experience against it. I've played around with the KID (one of my opening repertoire) setup and the ...Nf6, e6, c5, Qb6, hitting on b2 idea, but it seems that white can just play a dull game with c3 vs. e3, and meet ...Qb6 with Qb3.
  
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