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Re: How to play against this setup?
Reply #5 - 06/01/11 at 06:08:17
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TN wrote on 06/01/11 at 05:23:41:


This is a good recommendation, but I wonder if 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 5.Bf4 0-0 6.e3 c5 7.h3 cd4 8.ed4 d5 9.Bd3!?N isn't slightly better for White. Compared to the Tarrasch, White has the extra moves Bf4 and h3, meaning that Black cannot develop his light-squared bishop as actively as in the main lines, and after the sample continuation 9...Nc6 10.0-0 dc4 11.Bc4 Na5 12.Be2 Be6 13.Rc1 White definitely has the initiative.


The line transposes into Bologan's recommendation, and he gives a game Gonzalez-Ortega, 1998. However, the game went 12 Bd3 instead of 12 Be2.  I don't know if it makes a big difference (12. Bd3 might be worse because the d4-pawn is a bit less protected), but it seems to me that Black has good control over c4 and d5 after 13 ...Rc8, just like in the above game. The position looks like a decent Grunfeld for Black, no?
  
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Re: How to play against this setup?
Reply #4 - 06/01/11 at 05:23:41
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punter wrote on 05/30/11 at 16:10:49:
6...c5
Now if white goes d5 you chase the bishop with Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 and if Nd2 then Qb6 and black is already better.
So white has to play 7.h3 then you take on d4 and play d5 which should be equal but I already prefer black to be honest.
If white starts with h3 instead of e3 then you again play c5 and if they push with d5 you play b5 and again black is already better as this version of Benko is pathetic for white (h3 and Bf4 moves are not exactly what you want there).

I think Bf4 line would be great if not for this 6..c5 move as if black continues in standard manner white soon will be better with very clear plan. I played this many times until people learnt Smiley


This is a good recommendation, but I wonder if 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 5.Bf4 0-0 6.e3 c5 7.h3 cd4 8.ed4 d5 9.Bd3!?N isn't slightly better for White. Compared to the Tarrasch, White has the extra moves Bf4 and h3, meaning that Black cannot develop his light-squared bishop as actively as in the main lines, and after the sample continuation 9...Nc6 10.0-0 dc4 11.Bc4 Na5 12.Be2 Be6 13.Rc1 White definitely has the initiative. 

Edit: 9.c5 is an interesting alternative, but I don't think Black should be worse after 9...Ne4!.
  

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Re: How to play against this setup?
Reply #3 - 05/31/11 at 10:27:00
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punter wrote on 05/30/11 at 16:10:49:
6...c5
Now if white goes d5 you chase the bishop with Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 and if Nd2 then Qb6 and black is already better.
So white has to play 7.h3 then you take on d4 and play d5 which should be equal but I already prefer black to be honest.
If white starts with h3 instead of e3 then you again play c5 and if they push with d5 you play b5 and again black is already better as this version of Benko is pathetic for white (h3 and Bf4 moves are not exactly what you want there).

I think Bf4 line would be great if not for this 6..c5 move as if black continues in standard manner white soon will be better with very clear plan. I played this many times until people learnt Smiley


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Re: How to play against this setup?
Reply #2 - 05/30/11 at 16:10:49
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6...c5
Now if white goes d5 you chase the bishop with Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 and if Nd2 then Qb6 and black is already better.
So white has to play 7.h3 then you take on d4 and play d5 which should be equal but I already prefer black to be honest.
If white starts with h3 instead of e3 then you again play c5 and if they push with d5 you play b5 and again black is already better as this version of Benko is pathetic for white (h3 and Bf4 moves are not exactly what you want there).

I think Bf4 line would be great if not for this 6..c5 move as if black continues in standard manner white soon will be better with very clear plan. I played this many times until people learnt Smiley
  
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Re: How to play against this setup?
Reply #1 - 05/30/11 at 14:44:34
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Well, it's an old book line which I tend to associate with Bisguier.  Black has various decent ways to play (some indeed involving ...f5).  In a 1997 book, John Watson chose as his main line the immediate tracking down of the bishop with 5...Nh5 (following Vaganian-Kupreichik, USSR Championship 1979), which he thought "seems quite good for Black."
  
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How to play against this setup?
05/30/11 at 08:48:57
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Hello chessfriends!

I like playing the Kings Indian main lines with white and black. But some guy in my chess club plays often this setup against me (I am black)

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Bf4 d6 5.Nf3 00 6.e3

So now I really do not know how to continue. Should I go for ...e5, ...c5 or something else?
I mean pushing the f pawn like in the main line is not a good idea here ... -.-
I am searching for a good plan for black (Why ...e5/...c5 and then how to develop pieces etc and why!)

This looks like a London System with the pawn on c4 instead of c3. Why is this not played often? White is very solid and can maybe hope for some small advantage imo

Thanks for your advice Smiley
  
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