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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #22 - 09/19/11 at 04:24:25
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gewgaw wrote on 07/31/11 at 21:50:00:
When I look through books about the open sicilian (e.g. pavlovic) with lines till the endgame, I get the feeling, that 99,9 percent of chess is discovered.


I think we've all had that feeling once or twice.
  
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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #21 - 07/31/11 at 21:50:00
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When I look through books about the open sicilian (e.g. pavlovic) with lines till the endgame, I get the feeling, that 99,9 percent of chess is discovered.
  

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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #20 - 07/31/11 at 21:03:55
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Bibs wrote on 07/31/11 at 08:34:58:
JamesH wrote on 07/30/11 at 22:22:19:
I personally thought black was doing well in the 10.Qe1 variation, critical nowadays is just the mainline with 12.Bd4!, where it seems black has to try and fight for a draw :/


Indeed , plenty of activity in the British Championships in that line. Gawain Jones looked to have had the last word at the moment:

Adams-Jones, Sheffield, 2011.


Despite the end result being a draw, it seems blacks really struggling to gain any advantage to play for the win.
  

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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #19 - 07/31/11 at 19:49:45
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It looks like the main line of Qe1 system. I can not wait to get a hand of my own copy and compare it some of my old analysed lines..
  
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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #18 - 07/31/11 at 15:17:42
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10 Qe1 e5 (10...e6 is also covered) 11 Nxc6 bxc6 12 exd5 Nxd5 (12...cxd5 is also covered) 13 Bc4 Be6 14 Ne4 ( I noticed earlier people talking about 14 Kb1 but on some level it seems strange to put the king on the recently opened b file.) Qc7 15 Bc5 is what he spends a lot of time on. Other 14 moves for Black are also covered.

His main line seems to lead to an endgame that is marginally better for White. I'd be happy with it OTB but Black probablly has drawing chances, as usual
  
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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #17 - 07/31/11 at 14:06:26
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Varggrav wouldn't you tell us what is the suggestion?
  
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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #16 - 07/31/11 at 13:39:17
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I will have a look at new disc when the store I usually buy from reopens next week and gets in that disc for order. Since I have first disc I will buy the whole serie at any rate.

I am also surprised that 10 Qe1 is recommended, in my view particullary 12 Bd4 line and also 10 Kb1 is more challenging against a booked up player. I recall I lost a team match in Qe1 line as white in swedish division 1 (back than swedish 2nd division) in about 2001 or 2002.

About 12 Bd4 line, perhaps he reasons that black has good chances to draw so therefore selected 10 Qe1 instead.
  
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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #15 - 07/31/11 at 09:05:25
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Maybe, although you couldn't really call those games taken together as an advert for the opening Smiley Looked like plenty of two results style suffering.
  
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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #14 - 07/31/11 at 08:34:58
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JamesH wrote on 07/30/11 at 22:22:19:
I personally thought black was doing well in the 10.Qe1 variation, critical nowadays is just the mainline with 12.Bd4!, where it seems black has to try and fight for a draw :/


Indeed , plenty of activity in the British Championships in that line. Gawain Jones looked to have had the last word at the moment:

Adams-Jones, Sheffield, 2011.
  
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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #13 - 07/30/11 at 22:22:19
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I personally thought black was doing well in the 10.Qe1 variation, critical nowadays is just the mainline with 12.Bd4!, where it seems black has to try and fight for a draw :/
  

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Re: B76: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #12 - 07/30/11 at 16:28:47
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For those interested in this line from the white perspective 10 Qe1 is Bologan's recommendation in his ChessBase DVD Beating The Sicilian Volume 2. I have briefly watched it and it has convinced me to try 10 Qe1 in my next game after being a bit disappointed with my last outing with 10 Kb1.
  
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Re: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #11 - 06/19/11 at 17:36:10
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I am not shure about objective status since I have not seen any GM games in the line. Only then can objetivety be printed in stone after a few games.

In complicated positions one book can say that one side is better and an other book the complete opposese, like Expers vs Sicilian claming white was slightly better in a accelerated Dragon Bind line (about a improvment including a exchange sac) and a book for black claimed a black edge and computer thought equal.

But in this specific position I see no advantage to white even in Re8 line (who might even be stronger than Rb8), there are some black options removed, like an attacking the a pawn with the queen, but white has less control of d1 and d2 squares in some lines.
  
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Re: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #10 - 06/18/11 at 22:33:09
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bragesjo wrote on 06/18/11 at 15:10:20:
JamesH wrote on 06/16/11 at 17:58:50:
bragesjo wrote on 06/16/11 at 11:59:31:
forget last post, I made a major analytical mistake in 16 .. e4 17 Bb3 line and both me and computer míssed an other move for white earlier as well. Will have an other look later today,


Instead 16...e4, black could try 16...Bc8!?, it isnt as direct as ...e4 but black has the idea of ...h6, kicking away the knight.


I agree, white has nothing special after Bc8.

I also think that allowing the extra tempo with Re8 instead of Rb8 is fine for black.


Ah ok Smiley does this mean the computer book was wrong in assuming an advantage for white?!
  

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Re: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #9 - 06/18/11 at 15:10:20
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JamesH wrote on 06/16/11 at 17:58:50:
bragesjo wrote on 06/16/11 at 11:59:31:
forget last post, I made a major analytical mistake in 16 .. e4 17 Bb3 line and both me and computer míssed an other move for white earlier as well. Will have an other look later today,


Instead 16...e4, black could try 16...Bc8!?, it isnt as direct as ...e4 but black has the idea of ...h6, kicking away the knight.


I agree, white has nothing special after Bc8.

I also think that allowing the extra tempo with Re8 instead of Rb8 is fine for black.
  
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Re: 10.Qe1 in dragon ?
Reply #8 - 06/16/11 at 17:58:50
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bragesjo wrote on 06/16/11 at 11:59:31:
forget last post, I made a major analytical mistake in 16 .. e4 17 Bb3 line and both me and computer míssed an other move for white earlier as well. Will have an other look later today,


Instead 16...e4, black could try 16...Bc8!?, it isnt as direct as ...e4 but black has the idea of ...h6, kicking away the knight.
  

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