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Re: What Spanish variation ?
Reply #8 - 06/14/11 at 23:04:52
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sharpplay wrote on 06/14/11 at 19:56:14:
Markovich wrote on 06/14/11 at 15:29:31:
I wouldn't recommend 3...f5 because it sacrifices time in exchange for space.  That is a very dangerous thing to do and shouldn't be attempted by students.

I used to recommend the Berlin Classical but 5.Nxe5 is a problem.  Even so, my star student played it up to the Master level.  I now recommend 3...a6 4.Ba4 (4.Bxc6 bxc6 5.O-O Ne7) 4...Bc5 or 4...b5 5.Bb3 Bc5, with straightforward piece play in either case.



Not to take this off topic, but Markovich would this mean you would not recommend the Scotch to a student as white?  My understanding (admittedly limited) is that in the Scotch white also trades space for time.  I seem to recall some years ago your recommendation of the Scotch 4 N's for developing students, but perhaps that does not involve so much of a time/space tradeoff as does a line like the Mieses Scotch.


I would recommend the Scotch Four Knights, not the Mieses Variation, for just the reason you say.  Way too sophisticated.  Obviously, you have to judge when a student is able to undertake something like that.  But in general no, no Mieses Variation.
  

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Re: What Spanish variation ?
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Markovich wrote on 06/14/11 at 15:29:31:
I wouldn't recommend 3...f5 because it sacrifices time in exchange for space.  That is a very dangerous thing to do and shouldn't be attempted by students.

I used to recommend the Berlin Classical but 5.Nxe5 is a problem.  Even so, my star student played it up to the Master level.  I now recommend 3...a6 4.Ba4 (4.Bxc6 bxc6 5.O-O Ne7) 4...Bc5 or 4...b5 5.Bb3 Bc5, with straightforward piece play in either case.



Not to take this off topic, but Markovich would this mean you would not recommend the Scotch to a student as white?  My understanding (admittedly limited) is that in the Scotch white also trades space for time.  I seem to recall some years ago your recommendation of the Scotch 4 N's for developing students, but perhaps that does not involve so much of a time/space tradeoff as does a line like the Mieses Scotch.
  
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Re: What Spanish variation ?
Reply #6 - 06/14/11 at 16:25:49
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I would recommend the system Shirov plays whatever it is called these days, similar to what Markovich mentioned -
3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 b5 6.Bb3 Bc5
  
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Re: What Spanish variation ?
Reply #5 - 06/14/11 at 15:56:21
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THORK wrote on 06/13/11 at 23:01:40:
Hi ,
This is Thork . I want to know your opinion about what is the best option from black´s point of view to face the Spanish for a 1450 elo rating level kid .
Thanks for your help !
Best regards !
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Open Ruy Lopez. Against the Exchange they can play 5...Qd6, and 5.Qe2 and 5.d3 can both be met by 5...b5 6.Bb3 Bc5, playing as in the Arkhangelsk. In each of these variations the child should be able to combine active piece play and overall solidity.
  

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Re: What Spanish variation ?
Reply #4 - 06/14/11 at 15:29:31
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I wouldn't recommend 3...f5 because it sacrifices time in exchange for space.  That is a very dangerous thing to do and shouldn't be attempted by students.

I used to recommend the Berlin Classical but 5.Nxe5 is a problem.  Even so, my star student played it up to the Master level.  I now recommend 3...a6 4.Ba4 (4.Bxc6 bxc6 5.O-O Ne7) 4...Bc5 or 4...b5 5.Bb3 Bc5, with straightforward piece play in either case.
  

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Re: What Spanish variation ?
Reply #3 - 06/14/11 at 11:41:01
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The good old Steinitz 3...d6 is most logical and easy to learn/practise - protecting the e5-pawn and then developing.
  
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Re: What Spanish variation ?
Reply #2 - 06/14/11 at 10:56:26
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Difficult question, although I'm sure Markovich will have some ideas.

The Open Variation (3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Nxe4 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5) is one good idea but has the downside of allowing White to deviate with 5.d3 and 5.Qe2 leading to closed games.  One of Markovich's earlier suggestions (3...Nf6 and 4...Bc5) is looking dodgy due to the "fork trick" line 4.0-0 Bc5 5.Nxe5 so I'd hesitate to recommend that line.  Capablanca endorsed 3...Bc5 and 4...Qf6 which may be worth a look.

I imagine 3...f5 would give Black good practical chances at 1450 level.  Best is 4.Nc3 fxe4 5.Nxe4, when I recall Black having problems in the line 5...d5 6.Nxe5 dxe4 7.Nxc6 Qg5 8.Qe2 Nf6 9.Nxa7+!, though 5...Nf6 is an alternative.

The Siesta Variation (3...a6 4.Ba4 d6 5.c3 f5) is looking quite nice for Black but the problem with the Modern Steinitz (4...d6) is 5.0-0, when the piece sacrifice line 5...Bg4 6.h3 h5 is currently looking dubious and 5...Bd7/5...Nge7 lead to Closed Lopez type positions which probably aren't suitable for a 1450 player.  Thus I'd hesitate to recommend 4...d6.

I remember Dr. Dave over at the Exeter Chess club suggested the Archangel (3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 followed by ...b5, ...Bb7 and ...Bc5) as a decent try for club players.
  
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Re: What Spanish variation ?
Reply #1 - 06/14/11 at 07:56:52
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3. - f5 and the Siesta Variation.
  

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What Spanish variation ?
06/13/11 at 23:01:40
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Hi ,
This is Thork . I want to know your opinion about what is the best option from black´s point of view to face the Spanish for a 1450 elo rating level kid .
Thanks for your help !
Best regards !
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