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Re: An idea against Saemisch 7.Nge2
Reply #5 - 06/29/11 at 20:55:11
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Sorry, I meant 15.cxb5 axb5 16.g5 b4 17.Ncb5 Rxa2 18.gxf6 Qxf6 which is definitely a piece sac.
You can't agree with me that this variation wasn't such a good idea because I never wrote something like that.  Smiley
I play stuff like this as White and thought you might be interested in the view of an old-fashioned hacker.
  

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Re: An idea against Saemisch 7.Nge2
Reply #4 - 06/29/11 at 11:15:57
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MNb wrote on 06/29/11 at 10:09:45:
13.Nxc6 Bxc6 14.h5 looks like an improvement to me.

You also have to analyse the piece sac 15.cxb5 (iso 15.Bh6) axb5 16.g5 b4. It's probably sound.

Finally I would be very tempted to sace a piece myself as White: 17.Nf5 (iso 17.Kb1, this is highly thematic) gxf5 18.g5 Nf7 19.Qh4 Nxe4 20.Qxh7+ Kf8 21.g6.

So playing mindlessly the usual plan doesn't look too bad.


I don't see how 15.cxb5 axb5 16.g5 b4 17.gxf6 bxc3 sacs a piece but anyway white doesn't seem to be winning after this either.

Nf5 is interesting and I had only looked at it without a computer before. However the computer confirms what you say and I agree with both you and Kylemeister for different reasons that this variation wasn't such a good idea after all.

I'm off to get David Vigorito's book on the Kings Indian now to get me straight Smiley
  
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Re: An idea against Saemisch 7.Nge2
Reply #3 - 06/29/11 at 10:09:45
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13.Nxc6 Bxc6 14.h5 looks like an improvement to me.

You also have to analyse the piece sac 15.cxb5 (iso 15.Bh6) axb5 16.g5 b4. It's probably sound.

Finally I would be very tempted to sace a piece myself as White: 17.Nf5 (iso 17.Kb1, this is highly thematic) gxf5 18.g5 Nf7 19.Qh4 Nxe4 20.Qxh7+ Kf8 21.g6.

So playing mindlessly the usual plan doesn't look too bad.
  

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Re: An idea against Saemisch 7.Nge2
Reply #2 - 06/28/11 at 21:15:36
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Good observation, I didn't think of that at all. In other words this is not any good other than possibly in blitz where majority of Saemisch players will mindlessly play their usual plan.
  
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Re: An idea against Saemisch 7.Nge2
Reply #1 - 06/28/11 at 15:48:54
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One observation is that White could choose to play à la the 7...ed Classical (a direct transposition is certainly possible), which is generally reckoned as slightly better for White.
  
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An idea against Saemisch 7.Nge2
06/28/11 at 14:18:02
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Normally I play 7.Nge2 c6 as black however not long ago I wanted to try something different in a rapid game and played 7-exd4. That particular game continued 8.Nxd5 Nc6 9.Qd2 Re8 10.h4 a6 11.0-0-0 Bd7 12.g4 b5 13.h5 Ne5 14.hxg6 fxg6 15.Bh6 Bxh6 16.Qxg6 c6 17.Kb1 and I analysed the position afterwards (however far from completely) and I thought white had enough resources and the position was probably dynamically equal. Of course white could have at any time taken Nxc6 but in more recent internet play where I have tried 7-exd4 none has tried it against me.

What is interesting is that with all the games I have played with -exd4 and the plan a6-Bd7-b5 so far black always seems to have enough resources to defend against white's attack.

I'd like to hear your thoughts about it. Do you agree with white's play of not taking on c6 and are there any winning moves for white that I can't see?
  
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