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Re: Best Resources on the 3...g6 Fianchetto variation
Reply #8 - 08/07/11 at 17:36:41
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Justinhorton wrote on 08/07/11 at 16:35:29:


The one at the top deserves a special prize (re Soltis's title).
  
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Reply #6 - 07/28/11 at 08:01:01
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George Jempty wrote on 05/22/85 at 19:37:09:
I just ordered Soltis' old book specifically on 3...g6 but I'm not hoping for much benefit from that.


IIRC Soltis recommends 5...Be7, so you are right in not hoping for much benefit for your specific case.
  
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Reply #5 - 07/16/11 at 21:16:58
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Re: Best Resources on the 3...g6 Fianchetto variation
Reply #4 - 07/16/11 at 19:20:40
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I had the same recollection about an article of some sort in Chess Life, and I suspect it did involve Dely-Smyslov.  I also recalled a game Mednis-Smyslov, but that was with a c3 plus d4 approach.

Incidentally ECO/small ECO in its 1997 and 2003 incarnations had White getting a slight advantage after 5...f6 6. Bh4 based on, I would think, Nunn's notes to Nunn-Davies (also given in NCO, in which Nunn wrote the relevant section).  MCO in 2008 had White getting a slight advantage based on Trygstad-Hoi, Politiken Cup 2005 (in which White played differently).
  
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Re: Best Resources on the 3...g6 Fianchetto variation
Reply #3 - 07/16/11 at 18:54:17
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I like Sokolov's book, but in this case it would be more mysterious than helpful: He comments 5...f6 (after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 g6 4.d4 exd4 5.Bg5) with "5...f6 looks risky and has not been seriously tried in practice" (p. 173) - that's all! Alltogether, he covers 3...g6 on 9 pages (+ intro).

Some other resources:
- Glenn Flear in "Offbeat Spanish" (Everyman 2000) gives (after 5...f6 6.Bh4 Bg7) only some moves of the games Glek-Hübner, Bundesliga 1993, and Malaniuk-Ciruk, Linz 1997 (p. 127), so that wouldn't be very helpful either, as he virtually doesn't comment them;
- Andrew Greet in "Play the Ruy Lopez" (Everyman 2006) might be a little more helpful, he gives the moves of Nunn-Davies, Hastings 1986/87 (complete) and Bielczyk-Ciruk, Zakopane 2000 (fragment), with few light comments;
- NCO (1999) refers to the same game Nunn-Davies (p. 321), also some light comments;
- ECO C (2006) is so far the most informative source, for the position after 6...Bg7 there are 4 footnotes, containing 23 lines (p. 428, of course, a "measurement" like that sounds ridiculous, but as you probably know the ECOs, it gives you at least an idea "how much" to expect), almost all moves given are from game fragments, maybe the (older) 4th edition contains more material;
- there are four games in CI (up to vol. 100): Dely-Smyslov, Szolnok 1975 (20/34/Florian) (the game mentioned in your last posting), Van der Wiel-Ree, Dutch ch 1983 (35/86/Van der Wiel), Wedberg-Hübner, Oslo 1984 (38/3/RR), and the aforementioned game Nunn-Davies, Hastings 1986/87 (45/89/Nunn) (the first number in the parentheses refers to the Chess Informant volume, the second to the number of annotation moves, the name indicates the annotator);
- finally there's a survey on 3...g6 in NIC Yearbook 19 (1991); as I don't have that, I can't tell what it covers.

That's it, and it's not very much I would say, the best try might be the Informator games if you haven't already deviated in your game.

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Re: Best Resources on the 3...g6 Fianchetto variation
Reply #2 - 07/16/11 at 18:45:42
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kylemeister wrote on 07/16/11 at 16:22:05:
Maybe Ivan Sokolov's "The Ruy Lopez Revisited."


If anybody has that book, can they tell me how much I might find on the lines I'm particularly interested in.  It does seem to have some other interesting material so I might pick it up anyway.  I just ordered Soltis' old book specifically on 3...g6 but I'm not hoping for much benefit from that.  I remember way back 35+ years ago seeing some analysis in Chess Life I think of a Smyslov game but sadly I haven't saved those.  What I'm finding that might have been the game (though his White opponent was not especially well known so I'm kind of doubtful) is as follows:

[Event "Szolnok"]
[Site "Szolnok"]
[Date "1975.10.22"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Dely, Peter"]
[Black "Smyslov, Vassily"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C60"]
[WhiteElo "2445"]
[BlackElo "2605"]
[PlyCount "80"]
[EventDate "1975.??.??"]
[EventType "game"]
[EventCountry "HUN"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.07.01"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. d4 exd4 5. Bg5 f6 6. Bh4 Bg7 7. Nxd4 Nge7 8.
Bc4 Na5 9. Be2 d5 10. exd5 Nxd5 11. Qd2 c5 12. Nb3 Nxb3 13. axb3 O-O 14. O-O
Nb4 15. c3 Nc6 16. Bg3 Be6 17. Bd6 Re8 18. Bxc5 Bxb3 19. Be3 a6 20. Qc1 f5 21.
Nd2 Bd5 22. Bf3 Ne5 23. Bxd5+ Qxd5 24. Rd1 f4 25. Nf1 Qb5 26. Bxf4 Nd3 27. Qd2
Nxb2 28. Rab1 Re2 29. Qc1 Qc5 30. Be3 Rxe3 31. Qxb2 Re7 32. Ne3 Rf8 33. Rd3
Ref7 34. Rbd1 b5 35. R1d2 Bh6 36. Qb3 Kh8 37. Qe6 Re7 38. Qh3 Bxe3 39. fxe3
Ref7 40. g3 Qc4 0-1



  
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Re: Best Resources on the 3...g6 Fianchetto variation
Reply #1 - 07/16/11 at 16:22:05
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Maybe Ivan Sokolov's "The Ruy Lopez Revisited."
  
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Best Resources on the 3...g6 Fianchetto variation
07/16/11 at 16:14:50
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What are my best resources, online or in print, for the 3...g6 fianchetto line against the Spanish.  In particular I have a correspondence game that has gone "old school" 4. d4 exd4  5. Bg5 f6  6. Bh4 Bg7, so I wouldn't mind being pointed to an older book with analysis of games where Huebner or Smyslov had Black (I can find a couple of dozen high-rated games in my database, but without analysis).  Indeed, I went for the 6...Bg7 line as I'm playing a higher rated player, and it seemed like I would be able to find more material on it as opposed to newer lines such as 6...Be7!? or 6...h5?!  (Some of course might say I should have played 5...Be7 but I am past that point now so it is moot).  Am of course seeking existing resources only, no "live" or ongoing analysis.  Thanks in advance.
  
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