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Re: 20 Years With the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #54 - 06/18/13 at 23:47:29
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Thread locked. Gambit appears to be talking largely to himself. And 'Sota' who may or may not be Gambit too, but has only posted once.
All - we very much welcome analysis and considered contributions.


  
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Reply #53 - 06/18/13 at 18:17:34
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In case you are interested, there is an "The Unorthodox Openings" group on chess.com website.
That is an email correspondence site, where I play often. The BDG: Vienna Defense, is right now being played in Vote Chess format.
  
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Reply #50 - 08/10/12 at 12:48:23
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Continuing to type up my BDG games. Will include some never-before seen games and analyses. Working on a BDG book.
  
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Reply #49 - 05/18/12 at 21:34:41
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I am preparing a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit CD of all my games, 1991 - 2012. Might include the early attempts with the Polish Gambit, 1 d4 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 Bg5.

Anyone interested in buying my CD once I complete it?
  
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Reply #48 - 12/15/11 at 05:34:04
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Zilbermintz,Lev (2096) - Macaspac,Arthur (2137) [D00]
Garden State Chess League 2011-12 Rahway, NJ (2), 09.12.2011

board 1 D00 QP Game Blackmar-Diemer Gambit

1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d5 3.e4 dxe4 4.Nc3 exf3 5.Nxf3 e6 6.Bg5 Bb4 7.Bd3 b6 [RR: 7...Nbd7 8.0-0 Bxc3?! 9.bxc3 c5 10.Qe2 Qc7 11.Rae1+/= Mingos - Moldovan : correspondence, USCF 1986]

8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.bxc3 Bb7 10.0-0 Nbd7 11.Qe2 Qe7 12.a4N [12.Ne5 h6 13.Bh4 g5 14.Bg3 0-0-0 15.Ba6 Nb8 16.Bxb7+ Kxb7 17.Qf3+ Kc8 18.Qxf6 Qe8 19.Nxf7 1-0 Hanison - Reussner : correspondence, Germany 2001]

12...h6 13.Bd2 a5 14.c4 c6 15.Rab1 Ba6 16.Ne5 Nxe5 17.Qxe5 Qd8 18.Bf4 Ra7 19.Bg3 Rd7 20.c3 Rg8 21.Bh4 g5 22.Rxf6 gxh4 23.Rbf1 h3 24.g3 Rg5 25.Qf4 e5 26.Re6+ Re7 27.Qxf7+ Kd7 28.Rxe7+ Qxe7 29.Qf3 Bb7 30.Bf5+ Kc7 31.Qe4 c5 32.Qxe5+ Qxe5 33.dxe5 Bg2 34.Rf2 h5 35.e6 Kd8 36.Rd2+ Ke8 37.Rf2 Ke7 38.Rf4 Rg8 39.Rh4= Rd8? 40.Rxh5 Rd1+ 41.Kf2 Rf1+ 42.Ke2? Ra1? 43.Rh7+ Kf6 44.e7 Bc6 45.Rh6+ Kxf5 46.Rxc6 Ra2+ 47.Kf3 1-0

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Reply #47 - 10/25/11 at 17:51:02
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MNb wrote on 10/25/11 at 10:12:18:
Interesting, but a bit irrelevant, Lev. What's the oldest Kampars game in the book? Tom Purser gives a game from 1955 and also a 1955 game by Sneiders. Who are the other BDG-players at such an early or earlier stage? From which country are they?


Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, United States... these are the countries in the 1962-1963 "Opening Adventures." I will post more once I come home from college.
  
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Reply #46 - 10/25/11 at 10:12:18
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Interesting, but a bit irrelevant, Lev. What's the oldest Kampars game in the book? Tom Purser gives a game from 1955 and also a 1955 game by Sneiders. Who are the other BDG-players at such an early or earlier stage? From which country are they?
  

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Reply #45 - 10/25/11 at 06:11:06
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I recently purchased on eBay "Opening Adventures" by Nicholas Kampars, Volume 1 and 2, 1962 - 1963. In addition, I have the original of Volume 4, 1965.
The two first volumes definitely have games from the 1950s and early 1960s. There are analyses by Diemer, Kampars, Dravnieks, Mednis, and other players. The magazine articles are  written in the English, German and Latvian languages.

Preliminary research yields BDG games 1950 - 1963. There are players other than Kampars and Co. playing the BDG in postal chess in the early 1950s.
  
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Re: 20 Years With the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #44 - 10/25/11 at 00:41:59
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MNb wrote on 10/25/11 at 00:12:49:
Here is the letter you wrote about:

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/euwe_brief_050556.html

So you seem to be right about Euwe being responsible for dubbing 2.e4 the BDG.
That Diemer wasn't taken seriously already in the 50's can be seen here:

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/hans_mueller_glosse.html

And this is the infamous Donner article:

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/donner_prophet_von_muggensturm_en.html

Thanks. That was the letter which I had in mind. Max Euwe's reaction speaks volumes. Grin Diemer's loud enthusiasm for this system was a bit much to bear for Müller, Euwe, Pachman, etc.

There are detailed lists of Diemer's articles in various sources (Studier; Rochade); and he propagated the gambit in print early and often, calling it "Blackmar-Gambit". For example in Schach-Echo 1953, p. 100 (the name appears four times on this page alone, plus one "Blackmar-Stellung". Or in Österreichische Schachzeitung 1955, p. 237, is Müller's article "Zur Theorie des Blackmar-Gambits". Müller quotes Diemer, who had sent him analyses, again it is always "Blackmar-Gambit". There must be pre-1950 articles, too.

Diemer's book covers only the Ryder Gambit, but there is also his fanzine "Blackmar-Gemeinde" (about 1956), with a variety of BDG lines, and also other games e.g. 1.d4 e5. Somehow I've got the impression that Diemer started using "B-Diemer-G" only after Euwe's letter. But proving this hypothesis would be hard; I am not eager to look through all the material, sorry.
  
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Reply #43 - 10/25/11 at 00:12:49
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Here is the letter you wrote about:

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/euwe_brief_050556.html

So you seem to be right about Euwe being responsible for dubbing 2.e4 the BDG.
That Diemer wasn't taken seriously already in the 50's can be seen here:

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/hans_mueller_glosse.html

And this is the infamous Donner article:

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/donner_prophet_von_muggensturm_en.html

The first line is a classic.
  

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Re: 20 Years With the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #42 - 10/24/11 at 23:51:51
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 10/24/11 at 22:23:20:
Is it sure that this one was written by Euwe? Maybe by someone else (Edward Winter once wrote about Euwe's cooperations with Kmoch etc.). But Euwe was the official author,

The Losbladige articles were all attributed to Euwe, so it will probably remain unknown who actually wrote it.
As I always have understood Euwe wrote it because of Diemer's quite sensational success at Hoogovens, 1956. But your interpretation might be right, as Diemer did not actually get the chance to play it (only one Hübsch Gambit).
In the meantime I have done some research. The BDG was already known in Canada at least in 1955. It seems that Nikolajs Kampars introduced it. It's remarkable that several immigrants from the Baltic States practiced it: Sneiders, Dravnieks and Tejler all claime to have learned it from him.
Source: Tom Purser, who seems only interested in biased news about the BDG (which doesn't necessarily mean that he has the facts wrong). He mentions our little debates, but doesn't mention anywhere on his page the contributions of Von Hennig and Milner-Barry.
My point is that the BDG obviously crossed the ocean before Diemer published his book and the Losbladige article was written. Now I'd like to know if Kampars can be connected to Diemer somehow - before those refugees began to play the BDG I mean.
  

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Reply #41 - 10/24/11 at 22:23:20
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Diemer had written articles on the system in the early 1950s. Then there was the "Losbladige" article. Is it sure that this one was written by Euwe? Maybe by someone else (Edward Winter once wrote about Euwe's cooperations with Kmoch etc.). But Euwe was the official author, and so Diemer wrote to Euwe to discuss the gambit. Euwe politely replied, Diemer quoted him in his book. That's what I remember - and also that Euwe was annoyed that 5...e6 got his name. At one point Euwe stopped replying. It was in these letters where Euwe called the system "Blackmar-Diemer Gambit", I believe. Not sure where I have read this, however.
  
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Reply #40 - 10/24/11 at 21:23:20
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Now I regret not owing De Losbladige Schaakberichten from the 50's anymore. It got lost during my last emigration.
I remember Euwe writing an article in 1956 or 1957 about the BDG, but can't remember if he gave it a name. The article was mainly about Diemer's games obviously. It might very well be the case that it was just called Queen Pawns Opening. I do know 5...e6 was dubbed the Euwe Defence because he recommended it in said article; also the game Bogo-Diemer was there, giving 5...g6 the name Bogoljubow Defence (which shows again how silly BDG-nomenclature is).
There is at least one biography on Diemer. Isn't the answer there?
Otherwise somebody should go check it in the Max Euwe Centre or in The Hague's Royal Library.

Anyhow, Diemer's first book, published in 1957, was called Vom ersten Zug an auf Matt! : 25 Jahre Erfahrungen mit dem Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit.

http://d-nb.info/456453954

It did not cause an explosion in The Netherlands, mainly because Donner ridiculed him in "De Tijd“, February 1958 already. That article has made it into The King.
Diemer's loss against Geza Fuster, Beverwijk 1958 did not help very much either.
It took a few years before the idea reached the other side of the Atlantic Ocean; as far as I could trace Dravnieks and Sneiders began to play it in corr. games in 1961. Serious OTB games are rare, so it's more like Diemers book caused a storm in a glass of water.
I lively can remember that Diemer's 1957 book wasn't sold out yet in the early 80's; I saw it in the publisher's store (Ten Have, Leidsestraat Amsterdam). What's more, it was actually about the Ryder Gambit. And it was crap. Gazillions of hardly annotated games with lots of exclams, no explanations, presented in an unsystematical way.

Gambit wrote on 09/24/11 at 23:00:07:
You need someone to systematize and describe the hows and whys of a new opening system. Milner-Barry and Richter, to the best of my knowledge, did not do that. It remained for Diemer to do that with his writings in the newspapers and chess press.

So actually Diemer did not do that either. There is a reason Tim Sawyer wrote as late as 1992 that

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I simply got tired of consulting 20 or more chess books on the BDG for each of my postal games.
  

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Reply #39 - 10/24/11 at 19:00:28
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I may be wrong, but I think Max Euwe was the first to call the system "Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit".
  
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Reply #38 - 10/24/11 at 17:45:44
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Bobrov was deploying the ideas developed by Ignatz Von Popiel. Diemer himself credits Von Popiel for the original 3.Nc3 improvement to the dubious Blackmar Gambit. However, Von Popiel preferred 4.Bg5 to an immediate 4.f3 and this (4.Bg5) move still bears his name, the Von Popiel Attack. Diemer, of course, preferred the immediate 4.f3 and being the first to publish any serious literature on the theory certainly deserves to have his name included in the BDG name.
  
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Reply #37 - 09/24/11 at 23:00:07
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As far as I know, the first Blackmar-Diemer Gambit predates Diemer. It is the game Pavel Pavlovich Bobrov - Wilhelm Steinitz, simultaneous, Moscow, Russian Empire, February 19, 1896. White won brilliantly.

The first BDG game played by Diemer was in 1931 or 1932. I have Diemer's book, Towards Mate From the First Move published by Ten Have in Amsterdam, 1957. He gives his games from 1936.
So, was Diemer a liar? I think the answer is more complex than that.

Certainly, BDG-type ideas were around for years. However, I should mention that it was Diemer who put together a book describing the BDG and its systems. The book was published well over a decade after World War II, so there was no NSDAP help help there. Moreover, Diemer's writings on the BDG attracted the attention of correspondence and over-the-board players in the early-to-mid 1950s.

Sure, NSDAP gave Diemer a boost. But if you look at the databases, the BDG was not played much outside Germany before the 1950s. It exploded once Diemer published his book.

In his 1962 book, Chess Openings, I.A. Horowitz writes that Diemer has had a lot of success with the BDG for the past 10 years (since 1952). "Profound theoretical knowledge is required to avoid its [the BDG's] pitfalls."

You need someone to systematize and describe the hows and whys of a new opening system. Milner-Barry and Richter, to the best of my knowledge, did not do that. It remained for Diemer to do that with his writings in the newspapers and chess press.
  
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Reply #36 - 09/24/11 at 16:41:28
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SWJediknight wrote on 09/24/11 at 09:05:59:
According to Tim McGrew the line 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.f3!? was played by Stuart Milner-Barry (the same Milner-Barry as associated with the controversial gambit in the Advance French) before Diemer took up the BDG.

True: around 1930. Von Hennig played 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.f3 as early as 1920 and possibly before.
Of course Diemer never became an adult in the meaning of an independent grown up, so it's safe to say that he still was a toddler in 1920. Without the help of the NSDAP Diemer would have starved in the 30's for instance.

What's more, before Diemer took it up in 1937 at least 8 other games with his ideas were played; amonst others by Duras and Richter. By claiming the idea Diemer proved to be a liar too, but what would you expect from a virulent nazi. Such a brilliant idea can't be attributed to a Czech or an anti-nazi, can it (Richter stayed in a concentration camp for almost a year)?

A tribute to the true inventors:

Duras,O - Simek [D00]
Pisek sim, 1912


Von Hennig,H - Carls,C [B15]
Göteborg-B(7), 1920



Von Hennig,H - Carls,C [B15]
Göteborg-B (7), 1920



Richter,K - Rotenstein,S [D00]
Berlin-ch (4), 1932



Milner Barry,P - Thomas,G [B15]
London(6), 1932

  

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Reply #35 - 09/24/11 at 09:05:59
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According to Tim McGrew the line 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.f3!? was played by Stuart Milner-Barry (the same Milner-Barry as associated with the controversial gambit in the Advance French) before Diemer took up the BDG.

The issue with 4.f3 is 4...e5 when the critical line runs 5.Be3 Bb4 6.Bc4, and after 4...Nf6 White has nothing better than 5.Bc4 so White may as well play 4.Bc4 first as it cuts out 4...e5 and doesn't give Black any additional options (as far as I'm aware).
  
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Reply #34 - 09/24/11 at 00:38:58
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Von Hennig was active in the 1920s, and Diemer was born in 1908. A toddler is a child ages 2-4 years. Diemer by the end of the 1920s was aged 21, an adult. Thus, your description of Diemer as a toddler is inaccurate. Diemer would have been anywhere between 12 and 21 years of age in the 1920s.
  
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Reply #33 - 09/22/11 at 23:19:26
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Gambit wrote on 09/22/11 at 22:10:58:
The Caro-Kann can transpose To the BDG after 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Bc4 Nf6 5 f3

It's the other way round - the Caro-Kann can transpose to the BDG. This gambit was already played by Von Hennig when Diemer was still a toddler.
  

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The Caro-Kann can transpose To the BDG after 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Bc4 Nf6 5 f3 or 3 Be3 dxe4 4 Nc3 Nf6 5 f3

The French has the Alapin-Diemer Gambit, 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Be3 dxe4 4 f3
  
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Gambit wrote on 09/13/11 at 14:04:33:
The Candidate Master title is one step below master. This same title existed for decades in Soviet Russia, whose chess system was based on categories, not ratings. Under the Russian system, you had Categories 1 through 4, with 1 being the highest. Then came the CM, Master, and other titles.

Here in USA, we have ratings, something the Russians do not have. Hence, our system is a bit different from the Russian one.



Actually the CM title (and i'm afraid FM as well) serves perfectly to the purpose of collecting some money by FIDE.
Yes, russians have not ratings (LOL). I remember a local player who entered the FIDE list with 2360 (early 90's) and his first tournament was a closed one in Leningrad (that was the name of the city then)...he was clearly the top rated player. Still he finished last (12 th) with 0 (zero) points. Yes, Russians have no ratings but take the fruit you're droping on the board. They are very smart  Grin  Grin . Poor man, his FIDE rating lasted just 6 months. (minimum was 2200 then).

Other d-pawn specials thread that ends in a chit chat one...

Hope those BD players can prove advantage (with something convincing) v.s the french or the C-K. If that were not the case we would be talking about nothing here...

Edit: Me and the local player are from Spain...the guy i'm talking about  travelled Russia for playing that tournament.
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Gambit wrote on 09/21/11 at 05:21:01:
Dragonslayer wrote on 09/20/11 at 19:32:38:
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
I haven't had a laugh like this in ages. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 ½-½ but not completely sure..., come on man.


It is what it is, dude. I played Kasparov and all 3 games were 3-move draws. 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 and I honestly cannot recall the last move pair. It was 1999, 12 years ago.


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Dragonslayer wrote on 09/20/11 at 19:32:38:
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
I haven't had a laugh like this in ages. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 ½-½ but not completely sure..., come on man.


It is what it is, dude. I played Kasparov and all 3 games were 3-move draws. 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 and I honestly cannot recall the last move pair. It was 1999, 12 years ago.
  
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I haven't had a laugh like this in ages. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 ½-½ but not completely sure..., come on man.
  
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Well as FIDE is planning to introduce rapid and blitz ratings, perhaps there will be titles for these disciplines as well?!
We'll see if you can stand up to your word and become a LGM ("lightweight" err.. Lightning Grand Master).  Grin
  
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Gambit wrote on 09/14/11 at 15:21:19:
Some people just don't get that even Kasparov is only human. What many GMs do is make quick draws, before the fun actually starts.


Against opponents of equal strength, what you undoubtedly are...
  
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Some people just don't get that even Kasparov is only human. What many GMs do is make quick draws, before the fun actually starts.
  
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Are we witnessing a new Lev? Despite the jabs and sarcasm he has been keeping his cool and responding politely, making a serious effort to explain things clearly.
  
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Markovich wrote on 09/14/11 at 01:10:39:
Lev plays at the 2100-2150 level, and I am sure he knocks off a fair number of stronger players with that attacking game of his. So why don't we all just leave it at that, rather than belaboring the peculiarities of the USCF's obscure system of titles and special titles?


Indeed. Perhaps a separate USCF titles thread would be helpful explaining.
Actually, do have interest. Seem to play lots of US players (likely due to a US-friendly, Euro-unfriendly time zone and personal schedule) on ICC who have a range of unfamiliar titles.
Don't know what they are supposed to be, just curious.
But, yeah, perhaps just ignore the desire  for us all to dress up and Just Play Chess.
  
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Reply #21 - 09/14/11 at 01:10:39
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Lev plays at the 2100-2150 level, and I am sure he knocks off a fair number of stronger players with that attacking game of his. So why don't we all just leave it at that, rather than belaboring the peculiarities of the USCF's obscure system of titles and special titles.

Lev, if two men agree to duel with submachine guns instead of rapiers, this can hardly be said to be unfair. Unfair is bringing a submachine gun to a duel that was agreed to be fought with rapiers.

The peculiar truth about correspondence chess these days is that all duels, including those agreed to be fought with rapiers, are fought with submachine guns.
  

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Gambit wrote on 09/13/11 at 14:04:33:
I merely noted for the record that I did play Kasparov briefly. Now, as I said earlier, Kasparov was the one who offered draws in all three games, not me! So who is a coward is a very big question. Not me, that is for sure.

The Candidate Master title is one step below master. This same title existed for decades in Soviet Russia, whose chess system was based on categories, not ratings. Under the Russian system, you had Categories 1 through 4, with 1 being the highest. Then came the CM, Master, and other titles.

Here in USA, we have ratings, something the Russians do not have. Hence, our system is a bit different from the Russian one.

Life Master is not easy. It is an accomplishment to maintain a master's title for a long time. You have to play 300 games and win most of them to get the LM title. Not easy. If you are so smart, why don't you try getting the LM title? Much more difficult than getting the CM title, I assure you.


Not so smart. Am very middling.

Well, I admitted defeat and asked my federation to apply for my FM 'title'. I was reluctant,  but no time these days to get out there to get the IM, least not for a while, so it'll do, it's something I guess.

Am interested. What is the performance rating level for Life Master btw? 300 games at 2000? 2100? 2200? 2300? 2400? A certain percentage versus IMs / GMs?
Those outside US may look somewhat sceptically at such pseudo-titles, wielded by players who do not appear very strong.
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I merely noted for the record that I did play Kasparov briefly. Now, as I said earlier, Kasparov was the one who offered draws in all three games, not me! So who is a coward is a very big question. Not me, that is for sure.

The Candidate Master title is one step below master. This same title existed for decades in Soviet Russia, whose chess system was based on categories, not ratings. Under the Russian system, you had Categories 1 through 4, with 1 being the highest. Then came the CM, Master, and other titles.

Here in USA, we have ratings, something the Russians do not have. Hence, our system is a bit different from the Russian one.

Life Master is not easy. It is an accomplishment to maintain a master's title for a long time. You have to play 300 games and win most of them to get the LM title. Not easy. If you are so smart, why don't you try getting the LM title? Much more difficult than getting the CM title, I assure you.
  
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If Lev is proud of the 'title' that's good for him, but I was a bit surprised by the whole CM thing when it was introduced. Means as little as all those silly US titles: life master and stuff. Two squares forward, one to the side, congrats you are an 'expert'. Or whatever they have.
My federation wrote that they had put my name forward for CM. Had to write a prompt letter back saying no thanks, is embarrassing and they relented.
  
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I find it very strange that someone can be proud of three move draws, especially from one calling others cowards.

I know Karpov and Kasparov. The point was that when getting the chance to play the best, a three move draw is a complete waste of a great opportunity.

I've never heard of CM. Lower than FM? Not much of a title then.
  

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Reply #16 - 09/13/11 at 11:34:28
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(1) These are chess games, since obviously, they were played. Not my fault Kasparov offered a draw early on.

(2) You saw Karpov, not Kasparov. Different player.

(3) Simple. I do have the title of Candidate Master in over-the-board chess. As for correspondence, I do not play much in ICCF, USCF or APCT tournaments. Computers take all the fun out of tactics. You cannot use a chess engine over-the-board, but you can do so in postal chess. That, in my opinion, is not fair.

Hope this answers your questions.
  
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1) These are not games.

2) I saw footage of a simul with Karpov. A player did the Zaitsev repetition against him. Karpov got really upset. He said that the player missed a great opportunity to play the world champion. The result was of no importance.

3) If you beat GMs left and right, how come you don't have a title or the corresponding rating?
  

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Reply #14 - 09/13/11 at 05:30:32
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I would like to point out that the BDG begins after 1 d4 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3. That is first.

Second, Kasparov would have, as happened in our games, offer a draw early on. He was not interested in playing serious games, just in getting a rating on chess.net website.

Third, how many non-Grandmasters can say they drew Kasparov? I can. As far as beating GMs on the Internet Chess Club, I do that all the time. At the New Yorker Hotel Blitz tournament in May 2011, I beat GM Mikhail Kekelidze in the very first round. He is from Georgia in the former Soviet Union. That really set people talking!

Last, to be honest, I am not even 100% sure of the game scores! I think it was 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 in the first Zilbermints-Kasparov game, but it has been 12 years!
The only reason I remember the scores (at least I as accurately as I think) is because all games lasted 3 moves! I had it saved in my school email, but that got lost when my access to the school email lapsed. So I am relying on my memory.

As for best player in history, that remains an open question. Some of the new players, like Magnus Carlsen, might eclipse Kasparov soon. Especially since Kasparov is training Magnus!
  
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Reply #13 - 09/12/11 at 22:13:42
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Are you serious?! Man, I've a lot of obvious questions, but due to a promise I made to Markovich I'm not going to ask them. Let me formulate it this way. It puts a lot of arguments you brought up in the past in an entirely new light.
Fact is: the only time I played a GM in my life I chose the Albin's Counter Gambit (and lost a piece in 15 moves).
At the other hand I cannot help but admiring your honesty to admit that you did not grab the chance to play the BDG against possibly the best player in history.
  

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Reply #12 - 09/12/11 at 17:15:26
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No, it was not even a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit. I think one game went 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 (Zilbermints - Kasparov, chess.net 1999) while the second went something like
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 (Kasparov - Zilbermints, chess.net 1999). I was White in the third game. All three games ended in a draw on move 3. There were no BDGs.
  
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So offering draw after white's third move should be baptized "Kasparov defense" against the BDG.  Cheesy  Grin
  

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Because he offered a draw after the third move in every game. In fact, he was most likely trying out chess.net website. The handle said "Kasparov" (GM) 2800 . And only one man had that rating in 1999!

  
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Reply #9 - 09/12/11 at 03:01:12
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I joined the group and enjoyed your games Lev. Interesting to see how you developed a greater understanding of the opening.

For you others out there, I definitely recomend you take the time to read Lev's story about his school rival, Wielgus. To say that it's colorful and completely different from other chess writings would be an understatement! Really entertaining stuff!!

I have one question for you Lev. In your post you say this, "I would not be afraid to play Kasparov (and in fact, I did play 3 brief 5-minute games with him on chess.net in 1999, drawing all three in 3 moves each)". Why did those games only last 3 moves?
  
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You can find some of these games on chesslab.com and chesslive.de databases. Type in "Zilbermints" and "Zilbermintz".

Joining Yahoo is free, by the way.
  
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You have to sign up to Yahoo first.

Any chance you can upload them somewhere else?
  

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Yes, you have to join the group. Here is a link to my article about the FIRST-EVER BDG GAME:

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/zilbermints_erstes_blackmar-diemer-gambit_1896...
  
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Thank you.
One has to become member before downloading the file.
  

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The link is http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/unorthodoxchessopenings

First go to the link, then click on Files. Find the file TWENTY YEARS WITH THE...
  
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MNb wrote on 07/23/11 at 20:43:45:
Congratulations. And I hope you continue to defeat your opponents in your usually crushing way, no matter what I think of your opening choices.
Could you give the link to the webpage?

Gambit wrote on 07/23/11 at 22:24:50:
Directions:

Go to Yahoo Groups. Find Unorthodox Chess Openings Group. Go to Files. Open it. Scroll down to TWENTY YEARS WITH...


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Congratulations. And I hope you continue to defeat your opponents in your usually crushing way, no matter what I think of your opening choices.
Could you give the link to the webpage?
  

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In this file will be published all the BDG games -- tournament, blitz, casual chess, Quick Chess -- that I have played since 1991. Internet Chess Club games are a separate category. I am talking about over-the-board chess and correspondence here.

Go to Unorthodox Chess Openings. Find the label "Files" and click on it. The scroll down to the file TWENTY YEARS WITH THE... My 1991 games are in there.

I would appreciate it if you could upload them here. Thanks.

  
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