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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #450 - 12/24/15 at 09:22:59
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motörhead wrote on 02/01/15 at 20:54:01:
3... f6? (a normal question mark, not one judging the quality of the move -at least at first...)


to avoid confusion, I'd write it like this:

"3...f6 - ?"

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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #449 - 12/24/15 at 08:16:01
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As Stefan ist back on the scene, I take the opportunity to just repeat my last post, which was directed to him and stands unanswered.

What about 3...f6!??! in the Lopez?!
See previous post for details.

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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #448 - 02/01/15 at 20:54:01
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/24/11 at 17:42:29:
To study mainly the popular moves would, in my opinion, contradict Markovich's idea to "prove +=" for White. But I'll watch what happens. There ARE moves which are fine, only unusual and therefore unpopular. I believe that 3...Bc5 = is objectively best. I am not fond of Na5, g5, Bb4, f6, but 3...a5 deserves a look. - As arbiter we have engines, if we regard lines above, say, +0.35 (in R4) as "solved", fine with me.



Just for interest: What has changed your mind on 3... f6? (a normal question mark, not one judging the quality of the move -at least at first...).

As far as I remember your mind on it wasn't too bad in a special section of "Nordwalder Variante im Königsgambit". The insights you gave where interesting. Okay it was pre-computer era and there may be
improvements. And after all: Wasn't it about 4.a3, making place for Bb5-c4-a2? A bit slow...

I think, 4.d4 is more testing...
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #447 - 06/28/14 at 06:27:03
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 10/30/11 at 14:21:00:
MNb wrote on 10/30/11 at 13:36:00:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 10/30/11 at 12:44:34:
In my opinion 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 4.Nc3 fxe4 5.Nxe4 Nf6 6.Nxf6+ Qxf6 7.Qe2 does not work, because 7...Be7 8.Bxc6 bxc6 is =.
I hope you will forgive my scepticism, but I need a little more to be convinced. OK, it wouldn't surprise me if accepting the pawn provides compensation (although this needs to be proven yet) but I quite like 9.d4. Three sample lines:
a) 9...exd4 10.Bg5 Qe6 11.Qxe6 dxe6 12.Bxe7 Kxe7 13.Nxd4 and White has a very nice and stable advantage, Janovsky-Tseshkovsky, Voskresensk 1992.
b) 9...O-O 10.Bg5 Qe6 (Qg6 11.Bxe7+ Re8 12.O-O Rxe7 13.Nxe5 is excellent for White as the pin always can be be resolved by Qc4+) 11.Bxe7 Qxe5 12.dxe5 and White is at least a bit better, Adorjan-Cortlever, Amsterdam 1970.
c) 9...Qg6 10.O-O d6 11.Qc4 d5 12.Qc3 exd4 13.Nxd4 Bd7 14.Re1 Qf6? (better Kf7 but 15.Bf4 remains nice for White; the Knight is not weaker than the Bishops, but Black's pawns are weaker than White's) 15.Nxc6 Qxc6 16.Qxg7 and White has the attack, Copar-Auzins, corr ICCF 1997.

13...c5!! =.

While preparing for yesterdays cupmatch, I bumbed on a very interesting new idea: 12.Qb3

Black can surely improve with 12. ... e4 but even then after 13.Ne5 Qe6 14.Qa4 Bb7 15.f4 0-0 16.Be3 Bd6 17.Rac1 and still a small pull. It is just a quick analysis more than sufficient for a rapid OTB game. Still it is worth a closer look especially as the other critical lines were not convincing either.

I also checked who the white player is and found out to my surprise that he is also from Belgium. He has no official rating and I've never heard about him but he does have on ficgs a remarkable record: http://www.ficgs.com/player_3862.html so 136 games without a loss !
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #446 - 02/10/13 at 15:15:01
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Stefan is now in action at the Chess Classic ELO Open, as proved by these moves (versus Parimarjan Negi) a couple of days ago:  1. e4 c5 2. a4.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #445 - 01/28/13 at 14:35:56
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I hope indeed that our chessfriend is well.

@Smyslov_Fan:  Notwithstanding that the Marshall is a tough nut, I don't think that many people will agree that White's d3 in the Spanish could possibly be "the best move from a theoretical perspective."
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #444 - 01/27/13 at 01:00:46
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Markovich wrote on 01/26/13 at 15:42:20:
By the way, has anybody heard from our friend Stefan?  I sent him a message several days ago and have not heard back.


If you look at his website he scheduled a new issue of Kaissiber for April 2012 but nothing has happened. He also writes about an illness. I hope it hasn´t returned. Sad
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #443 - 01/26/13 at 19:33:06
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Markovich, you are right that d4 is more critical than d3. But if Black can reach equality, say in the Marshall, but it's not clear how Black can reach equality against d3, then d3 becomes the best move from a theoretical perspective.

The question is: can white find a usable advantage against the Marshall?
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #442 - 01/26/13 at 15:42:20
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That may be, but this mode of play says, "I'm not going to beat you because I'm White; I'm going to beat you because I'm Bogolyubov."  Carlsen in particular is well known for playing unassuming systems and just beating people with no help from theory.

This being a theoretical forum and the custruction of a Spanish repertoire being a theoretical pursuit, I think we should look for += or whatever approximates it most closely.  This is the >Spanish<, after all!

By the way, has anybody heard from our friend Stefan?  I sent him a message several days ago and have not heard back.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #441 - 01/25/13 at 18:48:13
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A lot of strong GMs, beginning with Carlsen, seem to be playing the d3 Spanish as White. It's a really slow system with many similarities to the Breyer Defense. And, just like the Breyer, the  player with the better sense of where the pieces belong in this pawn structure will win.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #440 - 01/21/13 at 19:08:31
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Yes, Kamsky's 11. Nxe5 Nxe5 12. Rxe5 Qd6! is fine too.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #439 - 01/21/13 at 11:13:36
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Markovich wrote on 01/20/13 at 21:30:12:
What is the current notion of Black's best play after 8.h3?  Is it so easy for him?


I would guess it's 8...Bb7 9. d3 d5 10.ed5 Nd5 11. Ne5 Nd4 for approximate equality and even 11...Ne5 seems to be fine for Black.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #438 - 01/20/13 at 21:30:12
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What is the current notion of Black's best play after 8.h3?  Is it so easy for him?
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #437 - 01/13/13 at 23:16:19
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Ametanoitos wrote on 12/23/12 at 09:44:27:
So, we can go for the Main Line pawn grab but play d3 instead of d4. It looks like a decent practical try.

I don't think white has anything after for example 12.d3 Bd6 13.Re1 Bf5 14.Qf3 Qf6 15.Bxd5 cxd5 16.Bf4 Bxf4 17.Qxf4 d4
or did you have something else in mind?
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #436 - 12/23/12 at 09:44:27
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So, we can go for the Main Line pawn grab but play d3 instead of d4. It looks like a decent practical try.
  
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