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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #24 - 02/02/12 at 15:58:51
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Except that 4.exf5 appears not to be refuted after all, if you take the effort to read further than West's first response. White is clearly better.

http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2012/01/refuting-philidor-counter-gambit-with....
  

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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #23 - 02/02/12 at 11:24:06
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To answer a few questions:

4 exf5 was refuted by James West in a posted reponse on the Kenilworth Chess Club website, the same source you gave.

As for the Newark Gambit, here is a recent game with it:

FM Christian Stevens (Canada) - Lev Zilbermintz
Internet Chess Club 5 0 rated blitz
January 25, 2012

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3?! fxe4 6 Ng5 d5 7 Ne4 dxe4 8 Qh5+ Kd7 9 Qf7+ Ne7 10 Qe6+ Ke8 11 Qf7+ Kd7 DRAWN.

  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #22 - 02/02/12 at 02:04:21
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Well since 1.e4 Nf6 2.d3 e5 3.f4 Nc6 is considered fine for Black, how bad can it be to play the same game but with "Black's" pawn already on "d5"?

By which I mean 4.Nc3.
  

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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #21 - 02/02/12 at 00:06:42
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Why bother with 4.Bc4 if 4.exf5 is good?

http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2012/anti-pcg.htm
  

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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #20 - 01/03/12 at 21:29:21
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GAMBIT quoted: First, I have the ICC computer call the Newark Gambit by a different name, one I never heard of. That second name is Philidor: Lopez Counter Gambit.
Search me, the only Lopez I know is Ruy Lopez from the 16th century. So, any PCG games by whoever Lopez was? Because I don't think Ruy Lopez proposed 4...b5 against the Philidor...

The name Lopez Counter Gambit is cited in very old sources, really 4..b5 is not a Ruy López idea ( it's your move, Lev ! ) if not 2..d6 3.Bc4 f5 is really his idea ( versus 3.Bc4 ); in fact, there are some games where Ruy López play this at 16th. century

PD: Lev, I've lost your email adress ( for next LG 7th. World Tourney ), also some players as Ferrero and others; please write me to amelchormunoz@gmail.com and tell me again your email, so in two weeks I would like to start our Tourney.

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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #19 - 12/27/11 at 22:59:29
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Roger Pedersen - Zilbermintz
West Orange Grand Prix (3)
Game/100 minutes
22 November 2011

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bxg8

Alejandro Melchor gives this move a "?!" while saying 5 Bb3 merits a "!". I disagree, as both moves can be handled over the board against human players.

5...Rxg8 6 dxe dxe 7 Qxd8 Kxd8 8 Bg5+ Be7 9 Bxe7? Kxe7 10 exf5 Bxf5 11 Nxe5 Kf6 12 Nd3 Nc6 13 00 Nd4 14 Nc3 c6! 15 Rfd1 Rad8 16 Nc5 Bxc2 17 Nc3-e5+ Kg6 18 Rd2 Bxe4 19 Nxe4 Rhe8 20 f3 Rxe4 21 fxe4 Nf3+ 22 gf Rd2 23 Rc1 Rb2 24 Rc6+ Kg5 DRAWN.

NM Ian Mangion - Zilbermintz
West Orange Grand Prix (5)
Game/ 90 minutes
13 December 2011

To begin with, the tournament started late because the room was being used for another function. This was reflected in the substraction of some time off the clock for both players.

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bxg8 Rxg8 6 de de  7 Qe2!?

My opponent surprised me by playing this move instead of the more widely-played 6 Qxd8 (see Pedersen-Zilbermints, above). Thank God I did some analyses of 7 Qe2 with my computer at home! Thus, I was not caught completely off-guard when my opponent played his move. After some thinking, I played...

7...Bd6

Now my opponent decided to get his King to safety and bring the heavy artillery into play.

8 00  Ba6!

Really, my only chance for tactics here. The threat is 9...b5, skewering the Queen to the Rf1. Of course, the move is also deeply psychological.

Mangion went into a long think here. After about ten minutes, he played...

9 Rd1 b4

10 Qe3 Qe7 11 Qb3 Qf7 12 Qa4+ Qd7 13 Qb3 Qf7, DRAWN.



  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #18 - 12/26/11 at 02:15:22
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Markovich, the initial moves were also provided on the first page of this thread.
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #17 - 12/25/11 at 20:57:47
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The moves are 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5!

Now the game Pedersen - Zilbermintz, Grand Prix, West Orange, New Jersey, 2011, went 5 Bxg8 Rxg8 6 dxe5 dxe5 7 Qxd8 Kxd8 8 Bg5 Be7 and drawn in 24 moves.

NM Ian Mangion - Zilbermintz, West Orange Grand Prix, 2011, went 6 Qe2!? Ba6! and drawn in 13 moves.

I will supply the complete game scores on December 26 or 27th.
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #16 - 12/25/11 at 19:20:19
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Gambit wrote on 12/25/11 at 16:51:40:
Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah!

Recently I got to play two Newark Gambits is one tournament, a rarity. Both games were very tactical and ended in a draw. Since I am at my mother's house, I do not have access to my score-books. I will post the scores when I come back home to Newark.

Happy New Year to all of you!


For those of us unaware of the moves leading to this gambit, why don't you supply them?  And a very happy winter solstice celebration to you!
  

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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #15 - 12/25/11 at 16:51:40
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Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah!

Recently I got to play two Newark Gambits is one tournament, a rarity. Both games were very tactical and ended in a draw. Since I am at my mother's house, I do not have access to my score-books. I will post the scores when I come back home to Newark.

Happy New Year to all of you!
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #14 - 08/31/11 at 05:27:27
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AMM wrote on 08/26/11 at 21:08:10:
I am in accordance with Smyslov_Fan: the position, by trasposition of Latvian gambit, it was known after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 b5?! 4.Bb3! d6 5.d4 fxe4.

Now 6.dxe5! is strongest ( of course also 6.Nxe5!? dxe5 7.Qh5+ Kd7 8.Qxe5 etc. ) 6..c6 7.Ng5 d5 ( "Semi"-Latvian 2..f5 3.Bc4 d6 4.d4 c6 5.dxe5 fxe4 6.Ng5 d5 7.Bb3 b5 ) but now besides 8.e6 ( Schild-Bullockus, cr ICCF, 1979 ) where Black can improve with 8..Qa5+ 9.Bd2 Qc7 10.Nf7 Bxe6 11.Nxh8 Nf6 as another positions of Latvian, I would prefer 8.Nc3 Bb4 9.e6 or 8.Nxe4 etc. ( Strelis-Alberts, cr Atars 4, 1979 ) as my previous above quote


Finally home in Newark, New Jersey. I managed to locate the PCG:Newark Gambit folder in a box of old chess folders. A couple of interesting points need to be mentioned.

First, I have the ICC computer call the Newark Gambit by a different name, one I never heard of. That second name is Philidor: Lopez Counter Gambit.
Search me, the only Lopez I know is Ruy Lopez from the 16th century. So, any PCG games by whoever Lopez was? Because I don't think Ruy Lopez proposed 4...b5 against the Philidor...

Second, some games with the 5 Bb3 line that Senor Melchor so likes.

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3 fxe4 6 Nxe5?! dxe5 7 Qh5+ Kd7 8 Nc3 Nf6 9 Qxe5 Qe7 10 Qxb5 Qe7 11 Qa4 Qb4 12 Bg5 Qxa4 13 Bxa4 Bb4 14 000 Bxc3 15 bxc3 Nd5 16 c4 Nc3 17 Bb3 Nxd1 18 Rxd1 Na6 19 d5 c5 20 Ba4+ Kd6 21 Bf4+ Ke7 22 d6+ Kf6 23 Bc6 Rb8 24 d7 Bxd7 25 Rxd7 Rbd8 26 Rxa7 Nb4 27 Bxe4 Rd4 28 f3 Rhd8 29 c3 Rd1+ 30 Kb2 Nd3+ 31 Bxd3 R8xd3 32 h4 h6 33 a4 g5 34 hxg5 hxg5 35 Bc1 Rg1 36 a5 Rxg2+ 37 Kb3 Rd1 38 Be3 Rb1+ 39 Ka3 Ra1 40 Kb3 Rga2 41 Bxc5 Rxa5 42 Rxa5 Rxa5 43 Kb4 Ra8 44 Bd4+ Ke6 45 c5 Kd5 46 Kb5 Rb8+ 47 Ka6 Kc6 48 Ka7 Rb1, White forfeits on time, E4C5 - Zilbermints, Internet Chess Club 3-minute blitz, 6 September 2007.

Nex - Zilbermints, 5-minute rated blitz, ICC, 2004, went 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3 fxe4 6 Nxe5?! dxe5 7 Qh5+ Kd7 8 Qxe5 Bd6 9 Qxg7 Ne7 10 Nc3 a6 11 Nxe4 Kc6 12 Bg5 Qf8 13 Qh6 Qxh6 14 Bxh6 Nf5 15 Be3 Nxe3 16 fxe3 Bf5 17 Nc3 Kb6 18 00 Bg6 19 e4 Nd7 20 e5 Bb4 21 Nd5+ Ka5 22 c3 Bf8 23 Nxc7 Rc8 24 Ne6 Bh6 25 a4 b4 26 c4 Rhe8 27 d5 Nc5 28 Nxc5 Be3+ 29 Kh1 Bxc5 30 e6 Bd6 31 Rf3 Kb6 =+ and 0-1/42.

kikian - Zilbermints, ICC 3 0 rated blitz, 28 May 2005, went 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3 fxe4 6 Nxe5 dxe5 7 Qh5+ Kd7 8 Bxg8 Rxg8 9 Qf7+ Kc6 10 Qxg8?? Bb4+ 0-1.    

The game Schild-Bullockus cr, 1979 (noted as 1988 in the chesslive.de database) went 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 f5 3 Bc4 b5 4 Bb3 d6 5 d4 fxe4 6 Ng5 d5 7 dxe5 c6 8 e6 Nh6? 1-0/20.

Instead, the computer suggests 8...Nf6! 9 Nf7 Qc7 10 Nxh8 Bxe6 11 Nc3 Nbd7 12 f3 ef3 13 gf3 000 14 Be3 Re8 15 00 Bd6 16 Qd2 Nc5 =
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #13 - 08/28/11 at 00:56:41
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #12 - 08/27/11 at 01:01:57
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ErictheRed wrote on 08/26/11 at 15:49:29:
Why do people care about Gambit's chess cowardice remarks?  Though I never get to read them, I wouldn't think they violate forum rules; they're just annoying.  On the other hand we see blatant personal attacks in other threads for which I think people should be banned and nothing happens...


Personally I think they're hilarious.
  

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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #11 - 08/26/11 at 23:07:48
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ErictheRed wrote on 08/26/11 at 15:49:29:
Why do people care about Gambit's chess cowardice remarks?  Though I never get to read them, I wouldn't think they violate forum rules; they're just annoying.  On the other hand we see blatant personal attacks in other threads for which I think people should be banned and nothing happens...


Something there...
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #10 - 08/26/11 at 22:35:39
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It was known to me too, but there are very games with this transposition. I do have books on the Latvian Gambit, and they do not have that many games with this transposition.
That said, Alejandro, you just mentioned where Black can improve after! So this is no refutation.

I am at my mother's house and do not have access to my archives until Monday. You will have to wait until then for me to post more Newark Gambit games.
  
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