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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #54 - 06/13/13 at 22:04:26
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Here's a refutation of 5...c6. It's not surprising at all that this is refuted considering the fundamental rules of development that were ignored.

Please Gambit, check your variations more carefully before posting them. Also, if you discuss this with a titled player, get that titled player to make comments here too please.
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #53 - 06/13/13 at 21:57:47
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I just want to be clear, this is a chess site. I will not be locking threads just because someone asks me to. If analysis is posted in good faith and a refutation is also posted in good faith, there is no problem.

Problems arise when the refutation of the line is clear and the poster continues to argue about it. One of the beautiful things about chess analysis is that "On the chessboard lies and hypocrisy do not last long."

Gambit, it is up to you now to present a clear argument, not just a single line, that hasn't been carefully vetted to show why we should take 5...c6 more seriously than 6...c6.


I will closely monitor this thread to make sure it does not become problematic. But so far, it has not crossed that line.
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #52 - 06/13/13 at 17:06:48
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6 exf5 e4! 7 Qe2 d5! 8 Ng5 Nf6 9 f3 Bxf5 10 fxe4 Nxe4 11 Nc3 Bb4 12 Bd2 Bxc3 13 bxc3 00 =+
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #51 - 06/13/13 at 08:44:45
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This is simply tosh.
If Gambit cannot justify with more than single move 'analysis', shut down the thread.
Avoid time wasting (ah, the troll got me too, woe), back to proper chess.
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #50 - 06/13/13 at 05:46:23
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West and I analyzed the line with 5...fxe4 6 Nc3 etc., yesterday. Our assessment was that 5...fxe4 is dubious. However, the simple 5...c6! is much better!
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #49 - 06/13/13 at 02:18:22
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tony37 wrote on 06/12/13 at 15:47:30:
the king is well placed in the coming endgame

sorry, couldn't resist

Very well placed...

Very well placed indeed.
HTH
  
I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #48 - 06/12/13 at 15:47:30
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the king is well placed in the coming endgame

sorry, couldn't resist
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #47 - 06/12/13 at 15:01:08
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Here's a PGN of the line Gambit is discussing.

A quick glance shows that Black has broken some pretty fundamental rules of development, is down a pawn, and has no obvious counterplay since he can't trap a piece. I'd love to hear what NM West has to say about this. Please invite him to join ChessPub!
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #46 - 06/12/13 at 07:50:36
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Not necessarily. I played 6 test-games at a time control of 3 min. 3 sec. increment on the Internet Chess Club. Result: +2, -2, =2.

Since it is close to 4 am here, I am off to bed.
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #45 - 06/12/13 at 05:17:36
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Gambit wrote on 06/12/13 at 04:58:57:
Did I get this move order correct?

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3 fxe4 6 Nc3 c6 7 Nxe4 d5 8 Nxe5 dxe4 ? Is this what you mean?


That is what I thought we were talking about. Apologies if I am wrong. After 8...dxe4 isn't 9.Bf7+ Ke7 10.Bxg8 game over?
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #44 - 06/12/13 at 04:58:57
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Did I get this move order correct?

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3 fxe4 6 Nc3 c6 7 Nxe4 d5 8 Nxe5 dxe4 ? Is this what you mean?
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #43 - 06/12/13 at 04:25:07
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Gambit wrote on 06/12/13 at 03:48:21:
West and I analyzed this. We both agree 7 Nxe4 d5! leads to wild complications.


I confess I'm baffled. I don't see any complications after 8.Nxe5 with an extra pawn, a huge lead in development and Ng5 coming. Surely black is just dead lost there.
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #42 - 06/12/13 at 03:48:21
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West and I analyzed this. We both agree 7 Nxe4 d5! leads to wild complications. It is even similar to some of the main lines of the PCG.
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #41 - 06/12/13 at 02:09:06
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Well, 7.Nxe4 and who on Earth would want to be Black?

White has a huge lead in development, and he's not even a pawn down.

I looked at 7...Nf6 8.Neg5 e4 9.0-0!
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #40 - 06/11/13 at 18:31:48
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Have not been posting much here because I was busy doing other things, especially finishing up a manuscript for a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit book. That said, I talked to NM West on Sunday. He suggests the following line:

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3 fxe4 6 Nc3 c6!
  
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