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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #8 - 08/26/11 at 15:49:29
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Why do people care about Gambit's chess cowardice remarks?  Though I never get to read them, I wouldn't think they violate forum rules; they're just annoying.  On the other hand we see blatant personal attacks in other threads for which I think people should be banned and nothing happens...
  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #7 - 08/26/11 at 13:35:54
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Gambit wrote on 08/26/11 at 03:10:34:
I spent all day typing and doing Internet research, so my back hurts. However, I did find the following game I played in 2009 on Internet Chess Club:

Cellardoor  (2051 ICC)- Zilbermints (2201 ICC)
ICC 3 0 rated blitz
19 January 2009
Philidor Counter Gambit: Newark Gambit

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3 fxe4 6 Nxe5 dxe5 7 Qh5+ Kd7 8 Nc3 Nf6 9 Qxe5 Bd6 10 Qxb5+ c6 11 Qg5 Qe7 12 00 h6 13 Qe3 Kc7 14 h3 Bf5 15 d5 Qe5 16 g3 Bxh3 17 Re1 Red8 18 dxc6 Nxc6 19 Bd2 Ng4 and 0-1, 46.


Ok, the Newark Gambit may work in 3-minute games. But only if White makes a number of mistakes apparently.  6.de5 would have refuted the gambit.

  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #6 - 08/26/11 at 03:10:34
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I spent all day typing and doing Internet research, so my back hurts. However, I did find the following game I played in 2009 on Internet Chess Club:

Cellardoor  (2051 ICC)- Zilbermints (2201 ICC)
ICC 3 0 rated blitz
19 January 2009
Philidor Counter Gambit: Newark Gambit

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 f5 4 Bc4 b5 5 Bb3 fxe4 6 Nxe5 dxe5 7 Qh5+ Kd7 8 Nc3 Nf6 9 Qxe5 Bd6 10 Qxb5+ c6 11 Qg5 Qe7 12 00 h6 13 Qe3 Kc7 14 h3 Bf5 15 d5 Qe5 16 g3 Bxh3 17 Re1 Red8 18 dxc6 Nxc6 19 Bd2 Ng4 and 0-1, 46.

  
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #5 - 08/20/11 at 05:33:01
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[quotation of Gambit's foregoing 'chess cowardice' remark redacted by Markovich]

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2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #4 - 08/20/11 at 04:18:53
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I agree with what NM James West proposes, 8...Kc6! etc., looks reasonable. Since I am aboard the ship Carribean Princess en route to New York from Rhode Island, it will be days before I respond with analyses. All my archives are at home.

[Comment about "chess cowardice" redacted by Markovich.  NO MORE ABOUT CHESS COWARDICE, LEV!  (That's you I'm shouting at.)  The next time I see one I'm just going to start deleting all your posts.]
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #3 - 08/18/11 at 16:17:35
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In a recent post of PCG specialist American NM Jim West ( http://jimwestonchess.blogspot.com/ ) write after 5..fxe4 6.Nxe5 dxe5 7.Qh5+ Kd7 8.dxe5 second player should to play 8..Kc6 (!?) - instead of my previous 8..c6 - 9.Qe2 Bc5 10.Nc3 Kb7 11.Nxe4 Bb6 in the spirit of some lines on Latvian with the same variation where Black King has a possible bolt-hole on b7. Maybe it's true, but 11.a4!? seems stronger, but also I prefer 6.dxe5! or 6.Ng5!? with a powerful initiative as anybody can see it playing some moves with Black pieces ...

Paradoxically in West book "The Dynamic Philidor Countergambit" ( 2nd. ed., 1996 ) he doesn't analyze 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5 4.Bc4 c6!? ( only 4..exd4; 4..fxe4; and 4..Nc6 ) 5.dxe5 fxe4 6.Ng5 d5 ( I know 6 games ) trasposing to above noted Schild-Bullockus, cr ICCF, 1979 via LG: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 b5?! 4.Bb3! d6 5.d4 fxe4 6.Ng5 ( 6.dxe5! is even better ) 6..d5 7.dxe5 c6 ( see The Latvian gambit lives!, Kosten, 2001, page 167 ) and now contradicting English GM I think best move is 8.Nxe4 ( instead of 8.0-0 in four Khulmann-Criel games, or "logical" 8.e6 played by Schild ):

  - 8..dxe4?? 9.Bf7+ Ke7 10.Bg5+ Nf6 11.Qxd8+ Kxd8 12.exf6

  - 8..Qc7 9.Nd6+ Bxd6 10.exd6 Qxd6 "which is not too bad" according Kosten, but I personally prefer White after 11.0-0

  - 8..Nd7 - relatively the best - 9.e6 Ndf6 ( 9..Ne5 10.f4 Ng6 11.Ng3 ) 10.Ng5 Nh6 11.0-0

Definetevely Lev Zilbermintz gambit ..b5?! seems refuted with the declined move 5.Bb3!
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #2 - 08/17/11 at 19:23:16
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breizatao wrote on 08/17/11 at 13:43:47:
AMM wrote on 08/16/11 at 03:59:18:
Somebody know something about this gambit ?, 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5 4.Bc4 b5?!. I've read some issues of http://www.ubutec.com/acn/ and all players play 5.Bxg8?! or 5.Bxb5+ when I see clearly 5.Bb3! give an easy White adventage. His author is a player called Lev Zilbermintz.

Later on I will demonstrate why 5.Bb3! is the correct move


With pleasure, Alejandro!  Smiley


With pleasure, Frederic ..!  Wink

Now I will demonstrate why this gambit is no correct.

Lev Zilbermintz, his author, say in http://www.ubutec.com/acn/ACN-JulySept2008.pdf pag.21 he found the move 4..b5 in 2003 to contend 4.Bc4 line ( in the PCG gambit ). However, this is not enterely correct so the move was also known as a trasposition from Strautin's line on Latvian gambit: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 b5 4.Bb3! d6 5.d4 where 9 games was played and even Tony Kosten in his book on Latvian (2001) give the retreat of the bishop as the best move. American player call Bb3 as "Newark gambit declined", but he doesn't give any analysis and only show 5.Bxg8?! and 5.Bxb5+ in next issues.

The refutation, on several ways, is very easy: ( 5.Bb3! )

                - 5..h6? 6.dxe5 Ne7 7.Nh4! Qd7? 8.e6 Fiorito-Alloin, 1983 
                - 5..Nf6? 6.dxe5 Nxe4? 7.Qd5 +- Ouwerkerk-Zagt, 1982
                - 5..exd4?! 6.Nxd4 fxe4? 7.Qh5+ +- Janssen-Boll, 1975
                - 5..Nc6?! 6.dxe5 ( or 6.Ng5!? ) 6..Nxe5?? ( 6..dxe5 7.Bd5! ) Niemand-Purins, 1983; now 7.Bxg8! and 8.Qd5 +-
                - 5..fxe4
                            - 6.Nxe5 dxe5 7.Qh5+ Kd7 ( 7..g6?? 8.Qxe5+ Qe7 9.Qxh8 +- Dinu- Popescu, 1995 ) 8.dxe5! ( 8.Qf5+?! Kc6 9.Qxe4+ Kb6 DePalma-Zilbermintz, 2011 and 8.Qxe5 Bd6 Hebrard-Jester, 1987 are not so good ) 8..c6 9-0-0 Atars-Gasser, 1969 and Diepstraten-Druke, 1990 both by trasposition   
                            - 6.Ng5!? Schild-Bullockus, 1979                            
                            - 6.Cc3!? Qd7?! ( 6..Nf6 7.dxe5 ) 7.Ng5 Courthiau-Simonet, 1982 by trasposition
                            - 6.dxe5!

Black has a ruinous position ever !
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Re: C41: Newark gambit
Reply #1 - 08/17/11 at 13:43:47
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AMM wrote on 08/16/11 at 03:59:18:
Somebody know something about this gambit ?, 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5 4.Bc4 b5?!. I've read some issues of http://www.ubutec.com/acn/ and all players play 5.Bxg8?! or 5.Bxb5+ when I see clearly 5.Bb3! give an easy White adventage. His author is a player called Lev Zilbermintz.

Later on I will demonstrate why 5.Bb3! is the correct move


With pleasure, Alejandro!  Smiley
  
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C41: Newark gambit
08/16/11 at 03:59:18
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Somebody know something about this gambit ?, 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5 4.Bc4 b5?!. I've read some issues of http://www.ubutec.com/acn/ and all players play 5.Bxg8?! or 5.Bxb5+ when I see clearly 5.Bb3! give an easy White adventage. His author is a player called Lev Zilbermintz.

Later on I will demonstrate why 5.Bb3! is the correct move
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