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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: C02: New take on the WADE Variation! Reply #8 - 09/14/11 at 18:39:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	There's a more complete discussion of this line in the following thread: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1310993311


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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry Reply #7 - 09/08/11 at 11:08:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Nothing new. The line was covered in July 2007 Neil McDonald's update http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/2/jul07.htm

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RdC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 868 Joined: 05/17/08	Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry Reply #6 - 09/06/11 at 15:14:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: I suspect there was a lot of psychology and attempts to avoid the opponents preparation involved. . For veteran British players, the Milner-Barry line with Bd3 has always been popular in the Advance French, its cause being championed by Len Barden in the Guardian. The Wade move order, I think, arose in part as an attempt to avoid the pawn sacrifice. For Russian players though, what do they learn about it? Probably that it's dubious and white should play a3.


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Ludde Full Member Offline So much theory..so little time Posts: 155 Location: Stockholm Joined: 10/16/09 Gender:	Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry Reply #5 - 09/06/11 at 13:14:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/06/11 at 12:31:25: Ludde, thanks for the link. The TWIC article makes it seem that Grischuk was extremely happy with his opening. I'm always fascinated by sacrifices that computers evaluate much differently than the GMs do. In this case, I have a feeling that if a strong GM repeats this game they will seek an improvement long before 19....0-0?! I suspect there was a lot of psychology and attempts to avoid the opponents preparation involved. It is quite possible (likely) that most of the game was OTB inspiration and that there are several improvements quite early on.


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry Reply #4 - 09/06/11 at 12:31:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ludde, thanks for the link. The TWIC article makes it seem that Grischuk was extremely happy with his opening. I'm always fascinated by sacrifices that computers evaluate much differently than the GMs do. In this case, I have a feeling that if a strong GM repeats this game they will seek an improvement long before 19....0-0?!


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RdC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 868 Joined: 05/17/08	Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry Reply #3 - 09/06/11 at 09:55:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	This isn't a Milner-Barry, it's a Wade variation. Black could play 6 .. Nc6 but presumably Grischuk would play 7 dxc5 to avoid sacrificing a pawn. The idea of playing 7 Nxd4 is a new one to me, avoiding one of the main ideas of the Wade move order, namely .. Bb5.


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Ludde Full Member Offline So much theory..so little time Posts: 155 Location: Stockholm Joined: 10/16/09 Gender:	Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry Reply #2 - 09/05/11 at 19:36:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	My understanding was that Morozevitj was better at some point. On TWIC there are some analysis of the game, based on brief comments by Grischuk, claiming that after 18..Rb8 (instead of 18..0-0) the engine evaluates blacks position as better. Grischuk was quoted not knowing exactly why, but at least there is room for analysis here. Losing this game obviously made Moro lose heart since he offered a draw as white the next day after 12 moves. The TWIC article can be found here: http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/chessnews/events/fide-world-cup-khanty-mansiysk-2011...


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry Reply #1 - 09/05/11 at 19:14:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	RdC wrote on 09/05/11 at 11:12:40: The traditional Milner-Barry Gambit reached by 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 is relatively rare as the pawn offer can be accepted with 6 ... cxd4 7 cxd4 Bd7 8 0-0 Nxd4 Grishuk in the World Cup has asked what happens if you get the dark squares as well. His sequence going 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Bd7 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 exd4 7 Nxd4 Bc5 8 0-0 Bxd4 9 cxd4 Qxd4 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1633774 This isn't a Milner-Barry, it's a Wade variation. Here's the game in PGN: Download game in pgn format Actually, the rare idea isn't White's but Black's. Black very rarely plays 7...Bc5, and apparently for good reason as Grischuk shows. Grischuk simply castled whereas the most common response is 8.Qg4. I'd describe Grischuk's play as focusing on the Q-side and light squares rather than dark squares.


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RdC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 868 Joined: 05/17/08	C02: New take on the Milner Barry 09/05/11 at 11:12:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	The traditional Milner-Barry Gambit reached by 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 is relatively rare as the pawn offer can be accepted with 6 ... cxd4 7 cxd4 Bd7 8 0-0 Nxd4 Grishuk in the World Cup has asked what happens if you get the dark squares as well. His sequence going 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Bd7 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 exd4 7 Nxd4 Bc5 8 0-0 Bxd4 9 cxd4 Qxd4 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1633774
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