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Re: C02: New take on the WADE Variation!
Reply #8 - 09/14/11 at 18:39:34
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There's a more complete discussion of this line in the following thread:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1310993311
  
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Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #7 - 09/08/11 at 11:08:28
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Nothing new.
The line was covered in July 2007 Neil McDonald's update

http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/2/jul07.htm
  

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Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #6 - 09/06/11 at 15:14:24
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I suspect there was a lot of psychology and attempts to avoid the opponents preparation involved. .


For veteran British players, the Milner-Barry line with Bd3 has always been popular in the Advance French, its cause being championed by Len Barden in the Guardian. The Wade move order, I think, arose in part as an attempt to avoid the pawn sacrifice. For Russian players though, what do they learn about it? Probably that it's dubious and white should play a3.
  
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Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #5 - 09/06/11 at 13:14:57
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/06/11 at 12:31:25:
Ludde, thanks for the link. The TWIC article makes it seem that Grischuk was extremely happy with his opening.

I'm always fascinated by sacrifices that computers evaluate much differently than the GMs do. In this case, I have a feeling that if a strong GM repeats this game they will seek an improvement long before 19....0-0?!


I suspect there was a lot of psychology and attempts to avoid the opponents preparation involved. It is quite possible (likely) that most of the game was OTB inspiration and that there are several improvements quite early on.
  
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Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #4 - 09/06/11 at 12:31:25
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Ludde, thanks for the link. The TWIC article makes it seem that Grischuk was extremely happy with his opening.

I'm always fascinated by sacrifices that computers evaluate much differently than the GMs do. In this case, I have a feeling that if a strong GM repeats this game they will seek an improvement long before 19....0-0?!
  
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Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #3 - 09/06/11 at 09:55:00
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This isn't a Milner-Barry, it's a Wade variation.


Black could play 6 .. Nc6 but presumably Grischuk would play 7 dxc5 to avoid sacrificing a pawn. The idea of playing 7 Nxd4 is a new one to me, avoiding one of the main ideas of the Wade move order, namely .. Bb5.
  
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Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #2 - 09/05/11 at 19:36:20
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My understanding was that Morozevitj was better at some point. On TWIC there are some analysis of the game, based on brief comments by Grischuk, claiming that after 18..Rb8 (instead of 18..0-0) the engine evaluates blacks position as better. Grischuk was quoted not knowing exactly why, but at least there is room for analysis here.   Losing this game obviously made Moro lose heart since he offered a draw as white the next day after 12 moves.
The TWIC article can be found here:
http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/chessnews/events/fide-world-cup-khanty-mansiysk-2011...
  
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Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #1 - 09/05/11 at 19:14:32
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RdC wrote on 09/05/11 at 11:12:40:
The traditional Milner-Barry Gambit reached by

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 is relatively rare as the pawn offer can be accepted with 6 ... cxd4 7 cxd4 Bd7 8 0-0 Nxd4

Grishuk in the World Cup has asked what happens if you get the dark squares as well. His sequence going
1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Bd7 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 exd4 7 Nxd4 Bc5 8 0-0 Bxd4 9 cxd4 Qxd4

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1633774


This isn't a Milner-Barry, it's a Wade variation.

Here's the game in PGN:



Actually, the rare idea isn't White's but Black's. Black very rarely plays 7...Bc5, and apparently for good reason as Grischuk shows.  Grischuk simply castled whereas the most common response is 8.Qg4.

I'd describe Grischuk's play as focusing on the Q-side and light squares rather than dark squares.
  
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C02: New take on the Milner Barry
09/05/11 at 11:12:40
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The traditional Milner-Barry Gambit reached by

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 is relatively rare as the pawn offer can be accepted with 6 ... cxd4 7 cxd4 Bd7 8 0-0 Nxd4

Grishuk in the World Cup has asked what happens if you get the dark squares as well. His sequence going
1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Bd7 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 exd4 7 Nxd4 Bc5 8 0-0 Bxd4 9 cxd4 Qxd4

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1633774
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