Latest Updates:
Normal Topic C02: New take on the Milner Barry (Read 11512 times)
Smyslov_Fan
YaBB Moderator
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: C02: New take on the WADE Variation!
Reply #8 - 09/14/11 at 18:39:34
Post Tools
There's a more complete discussion of this line in the following thread:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1310993311
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
dom
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 908
Location: Toulouse
Joined: 01/11/03
Gender: Male
Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #7 - 09/08/11 at 11:08:28
Post Tools
Nothing new.
The line was covered in July 2007 Neil McDonald's update 

http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/2/jul07.htm
  

“Learn from the mistakes of others. You can never live long enough to make them all yourself.”  - Groucho Marx
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RdC
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 868
Joined: 05/17/08
Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #6 - 09/06/11 at 15:14:24
Post Tools
Quote:

I suspect there was a lot of psychology and attempts to avoid the opponents preparation involved. .


For veteran British players, the Milner-Barry line with Bd3 has always been popular in the Advance French, its cause being championed by Len Barden in the Guardian. The Wade move order, I think, arose in part as an attempt to avoid the pawn sacrifice. For Russian players though, what do they learn about it? Probably that it's dubious and white should play a3. 
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Ludde
Full Member
***
Offline


So much theory..so little
time

Posts: 155
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 10/16/09
Gender: Male
Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #5 - 09/06/11 at 13:14:57
Post Tools
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/06/11 at 12:31:25:
Ludde, thanks for the link. The TWIC article makes it seem that Grischuk was extremely happy with his opening. 

I'm always fascinated by sacrifices that computers evaluate much differently than the GMs do. In this case, I have a feeling that if a strong GM repeats this game they will seek an improvement long before 19....0-0?!


I suspect there was a lot of psychology and attempts to avoid the opponents preparation involved. It is quite possible (likely) that most of the game was OTB inspiration and that there are several improvements quite early on.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
YaBB Moderator
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #4 - 09/06/11 at 12:31:25
Post Tools
Ludde, thanks for the link. The TWIC article makes it seem that Grischuk was extremely happy with his opening. 

I'm always fascinated by sacrifices that computers evaluate much differently than the GMs do. In this case, I have a feeling that if a strong GM repeats this game they will seek an improvement long before 19....0-0?!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RdC
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 868
Joined: 05/17/08
Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #3 - 09/06/11 at 09:55:00
Post Tools

This isn't a Milner-Barry, it's a Wade variation. 


Black could play 6 .. Nc6 but presumably Grischuk would play 7 dxc5 to avoid sacrificing a pawn. The idea of playing 7 Nxd4 is a new one to me, avoiding one of the main ideas of the Wade move order, namely .. Bb5.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Ludde
Full Member
***
Offline


So much theory..so little
time

Posts: 155
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 10/16/09
Gender: Male
Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #2 - 09/05/11 at 19:36:20
Post Tools
My understanding was that Morozevitj was better at some point. On TWIC there are some analysis of the game, based on brief comments by Grischuk, claiming that after 18..Rb8 (instead of 18..0-0) the engine evaluates blacks position as better. Grischuk was quoted not knowing exactly why, but at least there is room for analysis here.   Losing this game obviously made Moro lose heart since he offered a draw as white the next day after 12 moves. 
The TWIC article can be found here:
http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/chessnews/events/fide-world-cup-khanty-mansiysk-2011...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
YaBB Moderator
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: C02: New take on the Milner Barry
Reply #1 - 09/05/11 at 19:14:32
Post Tools
RdC wrote on 09/05/11 at 11:12:40:
The traditional Milner-Barry Gambit reached by

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 is relatively rare as the pawn offer can be accepted with 6 ... cxd4 7 cxd4 Bd7 8 0-0 Nxd4

Grishuk in the World Cup has asked what happens if you get the dark squares as well. His sequence going
1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Bd7 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 exd4 7 Nxd4 Bc5 8 0-0 Bxd4 9 cxd4 Qxd4

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1633774


This isn't a Milner-Barry, it's a Wade variation. 

Here's the game in PGN:



Actually, the rare idea isn't White's but Black's. Black very rarely plays 7...Bc5, and apparently for good reason as Grischuk shows.  Grischuk simply castled whereas the most common response is 8.Qg4.

I'd describe Grischuk's play as focusing on the Q-side and light squares rather than dark squares.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RdC
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 868
Joined: 05/17/08
C02: New take on the Milner Barry
09/05/11 at 11:12:40
Post Tools
The traditional Milner-Barry Gambit reached by

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 is relatively rare as the pawn offer can be accepted with 6 ... cxd4 7 cxd4 Bd7 8 0-0 Nxd4

Grishuk in the World Cup has asked what happens if you get the dark squares as well. His sequence going
1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Bd7 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 Bd3 exd4 7 Nxd4 Bc5 8 0-0 Bxd4 9 cxd4 Qxd4

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1633774
« Last Edit: 09/05/11 at 19:07:46 by Smyslov_Fan »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo