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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #30 - 11/12/16 at 10:48:26
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There are games with QGA nowadays too, but the majority of openings such as King's Indian, Slav etc. came to replace those things. Recent Magnus vs Karjakin game was d4, Nf6; Bg5 followed by d5 and c5. where black had played gambit on c5. Playing something usual is not great, isn't it?
  
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
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Reply #28 - 09/02/15 at 13:42:03
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I'm looking forward to the new chess star  "The Queen's Gambit Accepted" by Delchev and Semkov.

Taking chess serious lately, and playing QGA should broaden my chessknowledge with all the typical pawn structure and piece movements.
  
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #27 - 10/05/11 at 20:25:06
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Interesting thread. I'm thinking of going to study the Queen's Gambit Accepted. Is the The Queen's Gambit Accepted, third edition by Sakaev and Semkov, January 2008 published by Chess Stars the latest book about it?
  
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #26 - 10/03/11 at 21:11:33
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6. Qe2 getting "!!" is funny. I have a lot of respect for the line, but black can tweak his move order to take sting out of it. I'll post it when my mind is in a better place.

The critical line in the Qe2+Bd3 probably stems from the Neverov-Somebody, Someplace, Some Year game I'm recollecting. Engines point out some effective pawn sacrifice that keeps black healthy as I recall.
  

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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #25 - 10/03/11 at 11:48:35
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Studying the QGA with the help of Hiarcs Opening Book (HOB) is a pleasant experience as the book offers plenty on new ideas, novelties in the sense that they have been played only in computer games. For example in the 7.Qe2 b5 8.Bd3 line you mentioned (which has been proposed by GM Dzindzi every time he speaks about the QGA, and in my opinion is probably better than the more popular 8.Bb3 as after the a4 move there is real pressure at the b5 pawn and the Knight can come to be after Black's ...b4) the book offers a very strong novelty which repairs Black's position in a very critical line where White had good attacking chances. I'll find it and share it with you shortly.

But in the same "book" the 6.Qe2 move you mentioned in an earlier post gets "!!" (as the 2...dxc4 is the only move that gets this "!!", so the QGA is HOB's favourite defense as it seems!). The idea, if memory doesn't fail me, is to play a quick dxc5+a3+b4+Bb2+Bd3. Food for thought certainly. I hope that i'll be able to post these variations here when i have time and if someone is interested of course!

EDIT: i just saw that the ...Qc7 move the BPaulsen mentioned in the 7.a4 variation was also Rizzitano's choice in his QGA book. Although the book is clearly outdated in many places it is still usefull imo.
  
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #24 - 10/03/11 at 08:33:48
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Yeah 11...b5 is fine.

It seems like if white wants that set-up so badly the 7. Qe2 move order would be a better way to consider going about trying to achieve it (ie: 7...b5 8. Bd3). Of course black has other options.
  

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Reply #23 - 10/03/11 at 07:27:32
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Do not be amazed. It is known that White is better if he achieves this particular set-up with Re1-Qe2-Rad1 with the Bishop on the b1-h7 diagonal. White usually achieves this by making some weaknesses first (for example play the 7.Bd3 move order and play a3). Black here made it easy for White!

On the other hand it is known that Black should play 11...b5! to avoid this set-up! In that case he is fine. Allowing the d4-d5 is not the end of the word as it can be proven that the position remains balanced. The "problem" is that it becomes very simplified and so, difficult to play for the win for Black. But if he wants to play for the win why play QGA in general? (more drawish that the SLav IMO) and especialy this 7...cxd4 variation?
  
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #22 - 10/03/11 at 03:16:38
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Speaking of game citations, the plan chosen by white in J. Pinter-B. Golubovic, Pula 1999 might actually provide some hope for white players.

White's set-up is completely innocuous looking, and then it just blows up in black's face. If anyone wants to have fun with looking at the tactical possibilities, it's the position after 1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 c5 3. c4 dxc4 4. e3 Nf6 5. Bxc4 e6 6. 0-0 a6 7. Bb3 cxd4 8. exd4 Nc6 9. Nc3 Be7 10. Bg5 0-0 11. Re1 Na5 12. Bc2 b5 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Rad1

I'd frankly be amazed if something so quiet looking could obtain a real edge, but black's life is apparently not so simple.
  

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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #21 - 10/03/11 at 02:50:40
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Such valuable info gets published on this forum, it's hard to believe it's free. Great dialog here between Ametanoitos and BPaulsen, two of my favorite contributors. I'm always impressed by their scholarship. Thanks particularly to BP for those highly cogent game citations.

Personally I think that 3.e4 is White's most challenging approach. I prepared 3...Nf6, but the first time I played it, my strong opponent played straight down one of my main lines and then just beat me with his extra space. Discouraging. With much more success I've tried 3...Nc6 in three games, winning all, but the opposition wasn't strong and I remain unsure of the ultimate merit of 3...Nc6. Obviously it's  great winning try, so maybe Black should be happy. I notice that Baburin, a QGA specialist whom I follow, plays it this way.

I'm reluctant to play 3...e5, opening the position while lagging in development.

I don't think that Black should be daunted by 7.dxc5, but should just grit his teeth and play chess. Endgame wins starting from such positions aren't so rare down here at my level - particularly against weaker opponents.

But if I may make a repertoire-related observation, a QGA specialist needs something against 1.c4 and also 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4.





  

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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #20 - 10/03/11 at 02:20:46
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The only curiousities I've been checking in this variation of late occurred in J. Nogueiras Santiago-D. Ross, Quebec 1999, but continuing with 15. Bh6 (which apparently results in a ton of ways to perpetual check black, but nothing more), and L. Raykin-V. Napalkov, Correspondence 2003 (17...Ng7 is a simple improvement for black).

In general 7. Bb3 is just fine for black as far as I can tell. White doesn't even get the opportunity to annoy black (at least 7. dxc5 tries to be annoying).
  

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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #19 - 10/03/11 at 02:09:10
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BPaulsen wrote on 10/02/11 at 23:44:32:
There's really no issue to get around - 11...Na5 is simply the move, and in a conceptual matter of viewing it, it represents a good punishment for white's unprovoked Bb3. Black can be quite content.

Speaking of the QGA, apparently the recent CBM has GM Stohl offering 7. Bb3 from the white perspective, but I'm not sure why he's bothering unless he's got something of interest in the critical lines. I think Ametanoitos mentioned him specifically somewhere, so he must have it.

I have no interest in purchasing it, because I'm that doubtful of white's prospects - if Ametanoitos (or anyone) has it, does he find something new of interest, or is it same ol', same ol'?


Stohl's survey isn't from the White perspective but meant to show the current state of affairs.  It's in two parts.  In part 2, in the current issue of CBM, he states: 

"Black had no problems whatsoever in Bern-Semrl and other examples in the notes show that on the contrary it's White who has to play with care to avoid coming under serious pressure."

You appear to have nailed it Smiley.


  
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #18 - 10/03/11 at 01:32:11
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 10/03/11 at 01:28:55:
But Bryan, isn't it possible that the lines discussed will transpose?


No.

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I've never played 7.Bb3, so I really don't know. And I have to admit I haven't looked it up. Still, it seems to me that transpositions would be possible since Black does play 12....Na5 13.Bc2 in the game.


Black doesn't normally play ...Bd7. The main line runs 11...Na5 12. Bc2 b5 13. Qf4 Bb7, for example.
  

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Reply #17 - 10/03/11 at 01:28:55
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But Bryan, isn't it possible that the lines discussed will transpose?

I've never played 7.Bb3, so I really don't know. And I have to admit I haven't looked it up. Still, it seems to me that transpositions would be possible since Black does play 12....Na5 13.Bc2 in the game.
  
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Reply #16 - 10/02/11 at 23:44:32
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There's really no issue to get around - 11...Na5 is simply the move, and in a conceptual matter of viewing it, it represents a good punishment for white's unprovoked Bb3. Black can be quite content.

Speaking of the QGA, apparently the recent CBM has GM Stohl offering 7. Bb3 from the white perspective, but I'm not sure why he's bothering unless he's got something of interest in the critical lines. I think Ametanoitos mentioned him specifically somewhere, so he must have it.

I have no interest in purchasing it, because I'm that doubtful of white's prospects - if Ametanoitos (or anyone) has it, does he find something new of interest, or is it same ol', same ol'?
  

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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #15 - 10/02/11 at 18:32:30
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Thanks for the links! The last link isn't Chess Evolution, but another chesscafe series, "Checkpoint". The only one of the three that really deals explicitly with the QGA is the first one, but that alone is worth close study.

Edouard played a slightly unusual variation on move 11 (see below; I won't copy the entire article, but the moves are in the public domain), but I think the comments by Bacrot and Naiditsch are relevant to the main line (11...Na5) as well. This analysis is excellent and would certainly deter me from playing the QGA regularly without addressing the issues Bacrot and Naiditsch raise.

  
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #14 - 10/02/11 at 15:56:09
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I want to give some links that a QGA player can find usefull.

First of all:
http://www.chesscafe.com/evolution/evolution.htm
a new column at chesscafe feauturing a heavily analysed QGA game

and for those that want to play QGA-style against English-Reti lines:
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/139/chess_evolution_september_42011__ed...

Chess Evolution again, this time Sokolov analyses the game Fressinet-Bacrot, French Ch 2011 in the free sample that QC offers and

http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm
chesscafe again, Hansen reviews Yearbook Vol 99 where an interesting line against Marin's repertoire is presented.  [Moderator's note: Hansen's column has since moved on.  Persons interested in this should go to http://www.chesscafe.com/archives/archives.htm#Checkpoint and download the September 2011 column]

Of course, QGD lovers will find the same lines interesting but taking ...dxc4 is more on the spirit of the QGA!
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #13 - 09/30/11 at 21:48:18
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BPaulsen wrote on 09/30/11 at 18:59:32:
Seth_Xoma wrote on 09/30/11 at 18:46:50:
By the way, in case anyone wanted to, please feel free to discuss some QGA theory in this thread!


In case you missed it there's been two relevant games and a side-variation to one of those games mentioned. Feel free to contribute to the ongoing discussion. Wink


lol, and it's been much appreciated!  Wink If I played the QGA, I would! in the meantime, I will learn all there is to know from you guys and find out whether adding the QGA as my 6th defense to 1.d4 is worth considering.  Embarrassed (Hi, my name is Seth, and I am addicted to chess openings...)
  
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Re: Queen's Gambit Accepted
Reply #12 - 09/30/11 at 19:00:36
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I have both Rizzitano's QGA book by Gambit and the Chess Stars book on the QGA. Has the theory of any of these lines changed since then?
  

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Reply #11 - 09/30/11 at 18:59:32
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 09/30/11 at 18:46:50:
By the way, in case anyone wanted to, please feel free to discuss some QGA theory in this thread!


In case you missed it there's been two relevant games and a side-variation to one of those games mentioned. Feel free to contribute to the ongoing discussion. Wink
  

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By the way, in case anyone wanted to, please feel free to discuss some QGA theory in this thread!
  
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Reply #9 - 09/30/11 at 14:02:33
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BPaulsen wrote on 09/30/11 at 13:26:46:
Chess is a draw, and we're all just finding our favorite way to make draws.  Grin

Wow, I liked that!..  Grin
And I didn't know.. I just moved the pieces up and down.. Poor me!  Cry
  
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Reply #8 - 09/30/11 at 13:26:46
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There have always been GMs playing the QGA in tournaments, that's nothing new since it's obviously a solid opening. I was referring to the 2700+ crowd, where I think it'll only come back into fashion if something like the Slav starts showing cracks, which isn't likely.

That line in 7. a4 is easy to find for multiple reasons (statistics, engine recommendation, common sense saying black shouldn't surrender his Be7 in order to keep c5 covered). As for 12. Bf4 (I'm guessing you meant 12. Ne5 Bd7 13. Bf4 though, since 12. Bf4 b6 is totally fine with black), when you're playing moves like that in the QGA you know you're not playing for much.

I stand by unclear in 7. dxc5, it's just that the complications are of a purely strategic nature than those beholden to complex tactics. It's pretty clear that the balance is sensitive in those endings, much in the same way as Catalan endings when you're dealing with some itty-bitty-maybe-it's-a-weakness-maybe-it's-not advanced queenside pawns.

Whether it's equal/unclear doesn't really matter in the end anyway. Chess is a draw, and we're all just finding our favorite way to make draws.  Grin
  

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Reply #7 - 09/30/11 at 11:36:41
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I know some good GMs that prepare it for tournament use. That's why i said that i predict that it will become more popular. Will it be among the absolute top? Not sure, probably not but who knows?

About the game you mentioned in the 7.a4 line! Congrats! Good find, the 15...Qc7 move is what i also believe that shows the correct path. The idea behind this move is extremely clear. That's why i would concentrate my efforts as White in the 12.Bf4 move, although White plays for very little here. By the way, if Black choses the Nfd5 continuation i believe that the line starting with Qe4! gives White the edge and i prefer it over the Bb3 continuation that is more positional in nature and was recommended by Khalifman.

As about the position in the 7.dxc5 beeing "unclear" i would disagree. In NCO Nunn defines an "unclear" position as an one that is very complicated but balanced. The kind of balance that is very sensitive. This is not the case in the 7.dxc5 endgame. Yes, the endgame is complicated for sure and White plays for nuances, but "unclear"? It is just balanced with more chances for White to gain an advantage and less chances for Black to take the initiative. Only Markovic could invent an evaluation sign for this position!
  
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Reply #6 - 09/30/11 at 08:23:17
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For 7.a4: L. Hansen-D. Komljenovic, Politiken Cup 1989 demonstrates black's path to equality. I like 7.a4 from a chess perspective since it restrains the ...b5 break, but theoretically black is quite content.

7.Bb3: I. Bern-M. Semrl, E-Mail 2006 shows a good path for black. Before I bothered to actually investigate it 7.Bb3 seemed good as the theoretical try, but I never liked it from the chess perspective.

7. dxc5 is one of those lines where both sides can be content with the opening - any white advantage is very small, black's position is fully playable. This one I would label unclear as opposed to equal, as subtle nuances carry themselves well into the endgames.

Everything else is tame (ie: 7. Bd3, 7. e4) except for 6. Qe2 (sixth move, not seventh) which has significant potential.

I predict the QGA will not see a spike in popularity any time soon among the elites. 7. dxc5 isn't going away, and elite GMs have better openings to use these days if they want to steer the game towards a draw.
  

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Reply #5 - 09/30/11 at 07:45:39
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The QGA may become very popular again in the next couple of years. The reason for this is that there are lots of new ideas that wait to be found and played. Nowdays it is considered that the most critical lines against it are only two. 1) The Classical exchange with 7.dxc5 and 2) 3.e4

As for the Classical variation, the exchange with 7.dxc5 is not very critical from the theoretical point of view as it leads to equality (although i know at least one GM who argues that White is better!) but from the practical point of view Black's task is joyless. In my opinion those variations can be played with very good results if we prepare them very seriously and study them in depth

In the Classical variation by personal favourite is 7.a4, although again there i like very much a particular idea for Black that hasn't received the practical tests it deserves and keeps getting unmentioned in the theoretical manuals, although it has an extremely high score in the few games it was tried. We can talk about 7.a4 in general if you like, because this is the line i suggest to the followers to Avrukh's reperoire.

3.e4 is  huge subject! My favourite is 3...e5 but i can tell you with confedence that many critical lines and very important ideas haven't been played over the board yet. I cannot tell of any White's advantage as i can see it now, but there is one if we take into account only the lines played in practice.

GMs love to investigate new paths and it seems that the QGA offers that opportunity, so that's why i predict that its popularity will rise the next years.
  
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Reply #4 - 09/30/11 at 01:09:38
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Kramnik seems to have put a big hurt on the QGA in his match against Kasparov in 2000.

It's been played since, but the +2700 crowd has steered away from it in the last 5-7 years. Anand, Shirov, and others have used, but White seems to have found ways to prosecute the (mostly queenless) middlegames in such a way as to be able to play for two results.

Of course, the QGA is still about as popular as it ever was in the sub-2700 crowd, which is to say that it's marginally popular.
  
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Reply #3 - 09/30/11 at 01:00:52
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Maybe Im not remembering correctly, but didnt Ivanchuk play the QGA against Panomoriov in the world cup? I think it was the game where Pano played Nxe6?
  

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Reply #2 - 09/29/11 at 21:15:53
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Reminds me of Aronian's recent remark that in his youth Karjakin played the QGA, but after growing up he switched to more solid openings ...
  
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Reply #1 - 09/29/11 at 21:11:08
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 09/29/11 at 20:55:14:
This defense doesn't seem to be getting any love these days. It's not played often at a high level, and there seem to be few discussions of it on this forum. Any specific reasons?

A few years ago, Kasparov and Anand were playing it on a regular basis. Fast forward to today, and I don't recall the last time I saw a high-profile game in the QGA.


Dunno, maybe fashion or too few winning chances in the critical lines? Anyway, I haven't really seen a refutation.
  
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This defense doesn't seem to be getting any love these days. It's not played often at a high level, and there seem to be few discussions of it on this forum. Any specific reasons?

A few years ago, Kasparov and Anand were playing it on a regular basis. Fast forward to today, and I don't recall the last time I saw a high-profile game in the QGA.
  
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