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Reply #72 - 02/13/14 at 17:50:44
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Thanks Vass. That game shows pretty well the idea behind Nbd2. I don't have this game in my databases.

I've the feeling that I am never going to have an up to date database.  Embarrassed Sigh...
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #71 - 02/13/14 at 14:17:45
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brabo wrote on 02/13/14 at 10:04:52:
I noticed that the book Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez at least discusses and even recommends the line till move 10 but I don't know if Nbd2 instead of Nc3 is studied.


11.Nbd2 is covered briefly, but not the specific Rb1-b3-Bb2 idea you mention. Kosten considers 11...d6 (11...c5!? is given as an alternative) 12.Nb3 and 12.Rb1 c6 13.b4 in about half a page. However I havent really looked at that chapter yet since I was mainly interested in the (truly excellent IMHO) classical berlin chapter.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #70 - 02/13/14 at 13:28:00
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A correspondence chess game for 11.Nbd2 illustration may be:



There are some good ideas for white here.  Wink
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #69 - 02/13/14 at 10:04:52
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brabo wrote on 03/19/13 at 19:50:10:
I like your Bb7 which looks to be an improvement. Houdini gives 13.Bc2 but that looks nonsense if you want even a hint of an advantage. I would go for 13.Bg5 at least making the untangling a bit more difficult. I am not going to claim any advantage for white but the position isn't a dead draw either.

I tried it out in a recent game but wasn't really satisfied with the outcome of the opening.
Therefore after some lengthy analysis I now devised a new setup:
I noticed that the book Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez at least discusses and even recommends the line till move 10 but I don't know if Nbd2 instead of Nc3 is studied.
Anyway all this and much more can be found in my latest article: http://chess-brabo.blogspot.be/2014/02/fashion.html
  
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Reply #68 - 12/12/13 at 14:37:46
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I think Nc3 is a good move, so definitely the latter. In my view the c3 and d4 lines give Black good chances, but I suppose I made that clear in the book?

Thanks Tony. I can see now that Topnotch's apprehensions have cause ...
  
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Reply #67 - 12/12/13 at 11:57:06
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White seemed to establish a crushing position fairly easily in Polgar-Nakamura yesterday, although it is possible HN hadn't read Tony's book, of course.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #66 - 12/12/13 at 10:52:23
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Michael Ayton wrote on 12/12/13 at 01:20:42:
I'd be interested to know, Tony -- is the problem you see with Nc3 essentiallly that Black has no winning chances, or that you're in danger of coming second?


I think Nc3 is a good move, so definitely the latter. In my view the c3 and d4 lines give Black good chances, but I suppose I made that clear in the book?
  
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Reply #65 - 12/12/13 at 01:20:42
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I've actually played 7...Bxd4 and 8...Qg5 against weaker players in quick games ... and won very fast!


Aha! A transpo trick! ...  Smiley

I'd be interested to know, Tony -- is the problem you see with Nc3 essentiallly that Black has no winning chances, or that you're in danger of coming second?
  
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Reply #64 - 12/10/13 at 23:49:55
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Michael Ayton wrote on 12/10/13 at 01:15:09:
But I was going to suggest 4 ...Ng6!?. Maybe there's something wrong with this since it's rarely mentioned, but what? 5 d4 ed 6 Nd4 Bc5 7 Be3 Bb6 (7 ...Nh4!? looks like a one-trick pony?) 8 Nf5 0-0 9 0-0 d6 and is White's edge so serious? ....


I've actually played 7...Bxd4 and 8...Qg5 against weaker players in quick games ... and won very fast!

TopNotch wrote on 12/09/13 at 17:15:06:
one or two troublesome lines for Black to overcome if one needs to win against a much lower rated opponent.


Really I don't think you will have any problems against a 'much lower rated opponent', but these Nc3 lines are quite annoying when you play really strong opponents! Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #63 - 12/10/13 at 18:26:51
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TopNotch wrote on 12/10/13 at 15:48:10:
Thx guys, I will take a look at both 4...Ng6 and 5...Ng6, although somehow I suspect that I've considered these already and found them wanting.

Tops.

Feel free to post your "problem" variations here!
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #62 - 12/10/13 at 15:48:10
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Thx guys, I will take a look at both 4...Ng6 and 5...Ng6, although somehow I suspect that I've considered these already and found them wanting.

Tops.
  

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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #61 - 12/10/13 at 01:15:09
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Vass beat me to it! But I was going to suggest 4 ...Ng6!?. Maybe there's something wrong with this since it's rarely mentioned, but what? 5 d4 ed 6 Nd4 Bc5 7 Be3 Bb6 (7 ...Nh4!? looks like a one-trick pony?) 8 Nf5 0-0 9 0-0 d6 and is White's edge so serious? ....
  
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Reply #60 - 12/09/13 at 19:54:32
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TopNotch wrote on 12/09/13 at 17:15:06:
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Suggestions welcome.
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5....Ng6!?
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #59 - 12/09/13 at 17:15:06
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I have been interested in the Cozio/Cozio deferred/Aronian complex for some time now, and have even employed it sporadically in my tournament games over the years. However,there are one or two troublesome lines for Black to overcome if one needs to win against a much lower rated opponent.

One of these lines goes: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nge7 5. Nc3 d6 6. 0-0 Bd7 7. d4 b5 8. Bb3 Nxd4 9. Nxd4 exd4 10. Qh5 Ng6 11. Qd5 Be6 12. Qc6+ Bd7 13. Qd5 with a draw by repetition.

Another is: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nge7 5. Nc3 d6 6. 0-0 b5 7. Bb3 Na5 8. d4! exd4 9. Nxd4 c5 10. Nf5 Bxf5 11. exf5 c4 Winning a piece, but at too high a price probably. After 12. Re1 I don't see how Black's King ever reaches safety.

Suggestions welcome.

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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #58 - 11/26/13 at 13:19:41
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Anonymous3 wrote on 11/26/13 at 02:54:24:
Can you post the game? I can't find it.


It was a quick game in the 13 Bxg7 note, 14. Bh6?! Qf6 15. Bxg5 Rxg5 16. Nd2 Qd4+ 17. Kh1 Rxf5 with an extra pawn, Guedon-Kosten/Aurec 2013.
  
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