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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #12 - 01/28/12 at 13:26:54
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 01/28/12 at 01:47:14:
TN wrote on 10/22/11 at 05:13:10:
Here are a few suggestions from me to get the discussion rolling:

Well one of them is right! Wink


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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
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TN wrote on 10/22/11 at 05:13:10:
Here are a few suggestions from me to get the discussion rolling:

Well one of them is right! Wink
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #10 - 11/29/11 at 07:48:10
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Nope, that ...Nb4 hasn't refuted the line. I think that by playing b6 at some point always gives great comp for White but there are also other ways to play here. If you check the NIC Yearbook articles you'll see that the "Berlin Gambit" is getting more popular as time passes.

In the Nd4+d5 line there is a huge improvement over Cox's analysis that gives White the edge. Unfortunately a certain idea that GM Kapnisis has played provides an "easy" solution for Black (a ...Qb6 move) as it seems but i haven't check it thoroughly yet. My first impression is that Black is fine. But as you see there are lots of stuff that have been discovered here after Cox's book is out, so a publication regarding this variation seems a logical step to me.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #9 - 11/18/11 at 22:47:19
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Ametanoitos wrote on 10/22/11 at 14:40:30:
The Berlin Gambit with 6.dxe5 is an obvious choice for me. Thereticaly quite poisonous in both versions (either accepted or not). I think GM Kapnisis' solution (a ...Qb6 move for those that want to look at it) would be my choice for Black.


Hasn't this line been "refuted" by 6...Nxb5 7.a4 d6 8.e6 fe6 9.ab5 Nb4! instead of 9...Ne7 ?
Black is scoring massively from this position, and engines are not impressed at all from White's chances.
And of course, Black may decline the modern way by 7...Nbd4 8.Nxd4 d5! with a very comfortable game.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #8 - 10/23/11 at 08:23:09
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I think one could fill several volumes with DW in the Ruy. The whole opening is a minefield (or should I say mindfield).
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #7 - 10/23/11 at 05:37:07
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Ametanoitos wrote on 10/22/11 at 15:38:13:
Yes, of course but it cannot really be classified as "dangerous". I recall that the idea of b2-b3+Bb2 is the critical line against that ...Rd8 aproach. I agree with you that i would like to see analysis of this system in an up-to-date publication.


true enough...
  
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Reply #6 - 10/22/11 at 18:26:22
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The only line I can think of with 6.dxe5 is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.dxe5 Nxb5 7.a4 etc.

I must admit I thought Black was alright with simply returning the piece (7...Nbd4), but I don't know much about this line.
  

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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #5 - 10/22/11 at 18:21:24
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Ametanoitos wrote on 10/22/11 at 14:40:30:
The Berlin Gambit with 6.dxe5 is an obvious choice for me. Thereticaly quite poisonous in both versions (either accepted or not). I think GM Kapnisis' solution (a ...Qb6 move for those that want to look at it) would be my choice for Black.


What is the Berlin Gambit? Sorry, I've never really heard that name before.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
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Yes, of course but it cannot really be classified as "dangerous". I recall that the idea of b2-b3+Bb2 is the critical line against that ...Rd8 aproach. I agree with you that i would like to see analysis of this system in an up-to-date publication.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #3 - 10/22/11 at 14:57:53
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Shereskevsky's suggestion in the Ruy Lopez (C97), closed, Chigorin defence:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d6 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 Rd8

Have been looking at it for a while and it's a very interesting and sound approach.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
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The Berlin Gambit with 6.dxe5 is an obvious choice for me. Thereticaly quite poisonous in both versions (either accepted or not). I think GM Kapnisis' solution (a ...Qb6 move for those that want to look at it) would be my choice for Black.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
Reply #1 - 10/22/11 at 05:13:10
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I wouldn't expect the contents to be available until just before publication. I'm not surprised that there's another DW book on this since the 1.e4 e5 DW book only had three chapters on the Ruy (the 5...Be7 chapter was very good, the 3...Nd4 was good but not as good as Sokolov's book, and the 5...Bc5 chapter is only dangerous for Black).

Here are a few suggestions from me to get the discussion rolling:

a) 3...Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.c3 - looks harmless but actually contains a fair bit of poison.
b) 3...Nf6 4.0-0 Ne4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bc6 bc6 7.de5 Nb7 - very tricky, although theoretical improvements are needed in this line
c) 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nge7 - in my opinion it would be a crime not to cover this line or 3...Nge7
d) 3...a6 4.Ba4 d6 5.c3 f5 and 5.0-0 Bg4 - fairly tricky, albeit already covered by Taylor in a whole book
e) 3...f5 4.d3 fe4 5.de4 Nf6 6.0-0 Bc5 7.Qd3/Qe2 Nd4 - this is not only dangerous but also probably the theoretical solution to 4.d3
f) 3...a6 4.Bc6 dc6 5.0-0 Bg4 6.h3 Bh5 - maybe not dangerous enough but still worth a look
g) 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.d4 - considered harmless but if you can find a good novelty then its worth a shot
h) 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5 - good old Gajewski Gambit still packs a punch
i) 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bd3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.d4 Bg4 10.d5 - maybe not dangerous enough but at least not as well explored as 9.h3
j) 3...Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 and 4.0-0 Nd4 - Little-known and hard for White to prove an edge
k) 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Ne4 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.de5 Be6 9.Nbd2 Nc5 10.c3 Nb3 - little known but quite trendy
l) 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Ne4 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.de5 Be6 9.c3 Bc5 10.Nbd2 0-0 11.Bc2 Nf2 - the Dilworth can be very tricky if Black is well prepared
m) 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5 9.ed5 Nd5 10.Ne5 Ne5 11.Re5 c6 12.d3 - Not as explored as 12.d4 but probably just as good; alternatively 12...Bd6 13.Re1 Bf5 14.Qf3 Re8 could be a good DW from Black's perspective

I find it hard to believe that the book is only 192 pages; I'm guessing it will be expanded to 300 pages once the final manuscript reaches the printers.
  

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Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez
10/21/11 at 16:27:35
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Everyman has announced Dangerous Weapons: The Ruy Lopez. I'm surprised they would do a Dangerous Weapons book on the Ruy Lopez after already doing one of 1. e4 e5 which covered some Ruy Lopez options. Tony Kosten is one of the authors (along with John Emms and Jon Cox)! I was wondering if the authors could tell us more about what is going to be covered in this book?
  
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