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Re: The Greatest Novel
Reply #57 - 01/19/12 at 10:15:40
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Markovich wrote on 01/19/12 at 01:11:05:
Say what you will! You have no risk of offending me. I can only shake my head that so many people seem to have no ken of this work, in spite of having read it or having tried to read it.

But further, I think that a plurality of American literature students would call this our nation's greatest novel. The Great Gatsby may perhaps have a larger constituency. How it compares to foreign novels can be debated.

It just didnt appeal to me, mainly due to the writing style (the sentences never end) and the constant references.
Still if people still enjoy the book some 150 years later it can't be all that bad Wink
  

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Reply #56 - 01/19/12 at 09:37:27
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Markovich wrote on 01/17/12 at 23:51:53:
TN wrote on 01/17/12 at 07:09:43:
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Is that a joke? Whatever I say next could give offense, so I'll wait for the answer.

But it's not a novel, you know?

@Uhoh: If you think Frankenstein is well written, your idea of good writing is very different from mine. While I found the themes interesting, I thought the writing was quite bad. Turgid, confused and wordy are terms that spring to mind.


Yes, I was joking.
  

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Reply #55 - 01/19/12 at 04:40:44
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I still need to read Slaughterhouse five and Stranger in a strangeland. Perhaps after I read those 4 works I would feel more inclined to comment on what might be the "greatest."

But in some ways, I think it is the timing at which these books are read that can determine alot. I read the Great Gatsby in 11th grade. I was the only person in my grade that actually enjoyed reading the work. I would be hard pressed to include in the top 100 best novels let alone the "greatest" but it was enjoyable read then.
  
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Reply #54 - 01/19/12 at 01:11:05
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Say what you will! You have no risk of offending me. I can only shake my head that so many people seem to have no ken of this work, in spite of having read it or having tried to read it.

But further, I think that a plurality of American literature students would call this our nation's greatest novel. The Great Gatsby may perhaps have a larger constituency. How it compares to foreign novels can be debated.
  

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Reply #53 - 01/19/12 at 00:10:21
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Markovich wrote on 01/17/12 at 23:51:53:

Is that a joke? Whatever I say next could give offense, so I'll wait for the answer.

But it's not a novel, you know?

@Uhoh: If you think Frankenstein is well written, your idea of good writing is very different from mine. While I found the themes interesting, I thought the writing was quite bad. Turgid, confused and wordy are terms that spring to mind.

I wont give my opinion on Moby Dick for the same reason Grin
  

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Reply #52 - 01/18/12 at 14:57:16
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The only Paul Auster novel I really enjoyed was 'The Music of Chance'.

Surprised no one has mentioned Pat Conroy's 'The Lords of Discipline' yet.
  
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Reply #51 - 01/18/12 at 13:21:12
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Having read only a (German) translation of Frankenstein I had the same impression of a well written novel. I've heard of cases with a better translation than the original. Maybe this is an example?
  

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Reply #50 - 01/17/12 at 23:51:53
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TN wrote on 01/17/12 at 07:09:43:
'Heaven is for Real' by Todd Burpo


Is that a joke? Whatever I say next could give offense, so I'll wait for the answer.

But it's not a novel, you know?

@Uhoh: If you think Frankenstein is well written, your idea of good writing is very different from mine. While I found the themes interesting, I thought the writing was quite bad. Turgid, confused and wordy are terms that spring to mind.
  

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Reply #49 - 01/17/12 at 07:09:43
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'Heaven is for Real' by Todd Burpo
  

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Reply #48 - 01/17/12 at 05:42:30
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I know that a ton of my favorites have already been mentioned but they are well worth a mention again:
Joseph Heller's Catch-22 (without a doubt my favorite)
Douglas Adams' Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Franz Kafka's the Trial
Franz Kafka's The Castle
Joseph Roth's Radetzky March
Albert Camus' The Stranger
Voltaire's Candide
Audrey Niffenegger's The Time Traveler's Wife
While I like Crime and Punishment as well as the Karamazov Brothers, I just feel one has not truly experienced Fyodor Dostoyevsky until you read Notes from the Underground (I've read it 4 times just because every 4 years or so it deserves a new read).
Erich Maria Remarque's All Quiet on the Western Front
Homer's The Iliad
Homer's The Odyssey
Virgil's The Aeneid
Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game
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I must admit to never having read either Moby Dick or Old Man in the Sea though both are on my to do list. Over the years, I have filled in the holes in my classical literature and found much of it to be not worth reading (like Pride and Prejudice, Catcher in the Rye, To Kill a Mocking Bird, Wuthering Heights). At least War and Peace was quite enjoyable but I see no reason why it should be considered the "Greatest." Another enjoyable read (but not the "Greatest") is Darkness at Noon by Arthur Koestler.
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Reply #47 - 01/17/12 at 02:18:13
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I'm taking a course at Ohio State whose subject is exclusively Moby Dick. It's taught by Elizabeth Renker, a noted Melville scholar.  For the course, I'm about halfway through my second reading of the book since October. I read it whike on vacation in Hawaii (since Melville during his voyages had come to Lahaina, our local town), and quickly realized that I would have to read it again. Then this course most serendipitously came up.

What a deep, deep book Moby Dick is. I don't know what compares to it. It's so full of incident, ambiguity and mystery. If I had to say what its subject was, I would say that it was the nature of reality. Melville was too good a writer, or perhaps too full of uncertainty himself, to close any of the questions he raises. And so one is left with a work of Biblical scope and indirectness, open to manifold interpetations.
  

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Reply #46 - 01/16/12 at 22:43:52
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Animal Farm is great to read and teach. Did this last semester.
One sees more and more in it each time.

Other faves:
War and Peace (a quick read once you get past the first couple of hundred pages of endless soirees)
Crime and Punishment (quite good fun, great copper)
1984

@Stigma. re Paul Auster, not surprised you didn't like, NY trilogy, utter tosh.
  
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Reply #45 - 01/16/12 at 18:58:16
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Frankenstein. For me the themes are so important and it is so well written. It also doesn't take a long time to read like some classics... it's about time now for me to re-read it.    
   
My favourite modern novel is probably True Evil. The themes, the pace, language and it presses all my right buttons. I'm not a big novel reader though. For example I have Crime and Punishment, but have never got more than a few pages. Make of that what you will.  
 
  
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Reply #44 - 01/16/12 at 17:18:02
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ErictheRed wrote on 01/16/12 at 16:26:03:
It's unfortunate that as a novel, the LOTR doesn't exactly stand up, but his creative achievement can't be denied.

It's a bit silly to confront a book with demands it doesn't pretend to have. So I have read it for what it is.
Personally I like the story of Turin Turambar best of Tolkien's works, despite it being derived from the Oedipus myth. It's a pity he never finished it. I suspect it could lead to an excellent movie as well.
Crime and Punishment is on my wish list. I have never seen the theodicy so well formulated.

Keano wrote on 01/16/12 at 15:05:07:
what about War and Peace from the same chap?

Book 1 I thought great, book 2 boring and in de middle of book 3 I just stopped.
  

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Reply #43 - 01/16/12 at 16:26:03
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I'm going to chime in with Crime and Punishment, one of the few novels I've read multiple times.  I've read it as a Christian and as an atheist and found it incredibly profound and moving from both points of view.  In my opinion, Dostoevsky understands and describes human behavior and motives better than any other writer.  Not only that, but the novel is incredibly suspenseful and exciting, it's actually quite a page-turner!

If you could count them as novels, I'd nominate The Iliad and The Aeneid, and possibly The Odyssey.  Didn't Milton say that The Aeneid was "the greatest poem by the greatest poet?"  Someone did...

Also, regarding The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien himself didn't consider it a novel, so I think it should be read from the perspective that Tolkien had in mind.  Tolkien wrote a lot about his own works, and his basic idea was to provide a new mythology for a post-WWI society.  LOTR should be viewed in conjunction with his other works, like The Silmarillion, etc.  Personally, I think he did an incredible job of creating an entirely new mythology on his own!  Every other culture had hundreds of people over hundreds of years adding their creative energy to the pot, but Tolkien pretty much did it single-handedly.  It's unfortunate that as a novel, the LOTR doesn't exactly stand up, but his creative achievement can't be denied.

This thread reminds me that I was planning on reading Anna Karenina once I finish The Aeneid.  But I have a hard time imaging any book that could outdo Crime and Punishment.
  
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